Finding mileage history (1976 Newport)

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I spent a couple of hours trying to find any source of mileage history on my 1976 5.9 Newport.

Odometer shows 14,688. It's amazingly clean for something that was stored poorly over the years, if true mileage is 114,688. Yet, despite being owned by two Octogenarians since new, I'm hard pressed to believe that it only has 14,688 and would of course need to find some sort of documentation to support it if sold claiming those miles.

Unfortunately, while I worked on the car from time to time for several years for my grandfather, I never thought to ask him.

He purchased it from a local, elderly lady that he knew, who stopped driving and had left it sit in what was basically a shed. He purchased it when he was in his early 80's around 2002, stored it in another non-climate controlled, ship lap garage for 15 years, and drove it maybe 300 miles before he passed.

The car is original, and very clean with exception of surface rust on the underside of the hood (mice/squirrels built nests under there during long storage).

I've done a fair amount of maintenance on it at this point (he passed 4 years ago, at which time he left it to me), replacing the struts, brakes (new rotors/pads/1 caliper that seized while sitting), fuel gauge sending unit, carburetor (clogged from sitting with old fuel), alternator, plugs, wires, coil, cap/rotor, all filters, etc.

I'm planning on going through some more things on it, cleaning it up, and selling it due to wanting to pick up another of his cars (1966 Bonneville Convertible w/389) that his son in law received and has left sit ever since in poor storage without touching. So, I'm trying to figure out if it's original mileage as it will somewhat dictate asking price and how much work/money I'm willing to spend on it to get it ready to sell.
 
Short of a record of maintenance with odometer readings it would be hard to tell.
I had a low mile 80,000 Valiant that the owner wrote the milage down on the Owners manual cover for all the servicing's
Service receipts often show odometer readings.

A well cared for 100,000 car can look new.

Look at brake pedal wear

At 15,000 should have all the factory belts and hoses, plug wires etc.


Alan
 
At 15,000 should have all the factory belts and hoses, plug wires etc.


Alan
Agree with the rest, but after working in the automotive repair industry for 30+ years, I wouldn't want those being original on a 5000 mile old 1976 car if I planned on ever driving it.

Time often kills parts like those just as quickly as mileage. In fact, I'd rather have 100K mile belts/hoses that are only 5 years old as opposed to 5K mile ones that are 20 years old.

Brake, parking brake, and accelerator pedals all look more like 14K than 114K (not showing much appreciable wear), and the top end of the engine is showing very little carbon/sludge which would both lean towards 14K, but I'm still not buying it.

That's the thing killing me with this car. It would shock me if it were 14K, and it would also shock me if it were 114K. Neither seems plausible, but obviously one is correct.

There is some grease/oil build up on the lower chassis at spots, but that can indicate either as well--leaks over 50 years with it hardly being driven--or 114K miles of usage.

I've bought and sold probably in the realm of 100-125 cars over the last 35 years, so typically I'm pretty good at this, but this car has me stymied with the history I know of it (albeit limited), and the conflicting signs all over it.
 
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IF you are concerned about the mileage, be aware that many states do not use an odometer statement when selling a car over a certain number of years old.

You can always say "The odometer shows 15000 miles. From the looks of what I found in getting the car ready for sale, that appears to be accurate, first time around."

Normal wear points used to be mentioned in all used car purchase advisories. Brake pedal wear, for example, but then brake pedal pads started to be sold by the dealerships. Pull a rear drum and look at the shoes, plus look for dates and such on the edge of the friction material.

IT WILL NEED ALL Rubber hoses and such replaced!! All the way to the fuel tank, plus underhood where needed. Look for the date codes stamped on the hoses, too.

Put a NEW timing chain set in it, even at that low mileage. If the mileage is correct, that nylon gear should still look new (which you can show the prospective customer!). With a new metal gear and roller chain, that engine will run forever with no timing chain issues! Another selling point!

Look at the arm rest area, which can show wear and not age, per se.

Hope that Pontiac is aging well!

CBODY67
 
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