Where was this Mopar Brochure/Ad Photo shot?

[amazinblue82]

Ponchatrain Hotel was the clue for me. If I unfocused my eyes a bit I could almost make out the name in the ad photo. Once you know it says “Ponchatrain” you can’t really unsee it.

This was a good re-entry puzzle to get the game back up and running again. Safe travels next week.

A ribbon on #793.

"Ponchartrain" has a resonance cuz we "do-si-do'ed" around an earlier Mopar cop car ad with approximately same backdrop.

One of many Detroit locales the 'Big Three" used around the 50's - through -70's.

Nearly three years ago in #340.

Catch y'all next week.

 

[amazinblue82]

This one MIGHT challenge a bit. Heads up going in.

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New Game

Where are these women in this street scene? Circa mid 1960's here.

Clues and questions needed to answer correctly to "win" the game.

1. Western Europe. City (and/or area) and Country?
2. Where in this city (its NOT a "suburb" but it IS right next to a HUGE city in a major metropolitan area)? Exact street location?
3. Picture today of this "exact location"? Yeah, ya can get approximately there. Phone booth is not there, things look different, (trees/modern cars), but all the clues you need are visible so can get you to a "pegMan's" duplicate eye view of this approximate spot ~60 years later.

We have been in this city with games several times.

Good Luck. Answer in a few days.

 

[SPF Required]

I got the city and country (even the photographers name), but drawing blanks on the exact location. I will try harder tomorrow.

 

[ayilar]

This one MIGHT challenge a bit. Heads up going in.

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New Game

Where are these women in this street scene? Circa mid 1960's here.

Clues and questions needed to answer correctly to "win" the game.

1. Western Europe. City (and/or area) and Country?
2. Where in this city (its NOT a "suburb" but it IS right next to a HUGE city in a major metropolitan area)? Exact street location?
3. Picture today of this "exact location"? Yeah, ya can get approximately there. Phone booth is not there, things look different, (trees/modern cars), but all the clues you need are visible so can get you to a "pegMan's" duplicate eye view of this approximate spot ~60 years later.

We have been in this city with games several times.

Good Luck. Answer in a few days.

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Country? I see two Citroens on the right, a Renault 16 on the left. Hmmmm

 

[amazinblue82]

#802. 151 Boulevard Saint-Germain, Paris, France.

My estimation is based on the Lipp Brasserie ("brewery") was there when I lived there in the 1990's. It might have been there for decades before that. I don't remember much about the street, and only basic details -- the "trees, the island, the cool architecture.

I looked for the brasserie first, then the other details (very distinctive building facades in particular) to guess where the 1966 photo was.

I estimate the phone booth was about where the bus shelter is (it too is gone in the later images, mature tree with something newer, etc , ... IF i have the right spot).

Other takes on it are of course welcome. That's my best OP guess.

 

[amazinblue82]

New Game

Where is this 1957 Imperial posing?

1. Upper midwest United States. City and State?
2. Where in this city and what is the iconic landmark? Its a landmark inside another landmark.
3. Hardest part for me, and I am NOT sure I got it right, as I am relying on accuracy of the illustrator. What direction (N, S, E or W) looking into the illustration, is this vehicle depicted? If you answer 1 & 2, you'll perhaps see what I mean and it may be more obvious to you than to me.

Still more than enough room to get several cars here (so, except for greenery, pic could be duplicated today), but doubtful that is allowed without special permission.

Answer in a few days. Good luck.

 

[amazinblue82]

One solver already I think. We have been to this city before in this game, but not this particular location in that city.

 

[ayilar]

You think?

OK, you're right, there are 3 parts to the question

 

[amazinblue82]

four more repeat solvers in the barn, so five of you cats have reported definitively/correctly as to questions 1 and 2.

We each seem to coming to a basic consensus, even though we all know it may NOT be possible to truly know because its a drawing at the artist's discretion, on direction in the background, question 3.

In my research, I have concluded the illustrator DID take some design liberties but perhaps did NOT do so on his cardinal coordinates, so my OP recommendation is gonna be my "ride or die" answer on this one.

Of course, again, any one of you might yet come to a different conclusion in your research. I have physically been to this place, but that was many years ago, and well after 1957 so I don't have any relevant experience to help me.

still,

 

[amazinblue82]

#806, Buckingham Fountain, in Grant_Park, Chicago, IL.

My assessment is direction looking into the illustration is, due east(erly), out into (perhaps depicted as misty) Lake Michigan. Actual placement of the car, IN the illustration, is fluid and subject to some interpretation (I tried to align with sculptures in the fountain).

Looks like there has always been greenery to the left (north) of Queens Landing for decades.

This can be debated of course. I am accepting the illustrator's drawing is a faithful representation of how things generally looked in 1957. S/he could have easily left out what, even then, would have been tallish buildings visible in three directions (N, S, and W) around Grant Park.

Looking due east, Lake Michigan has always been there. NOT likely the illustrator would have PUT buildings out there where NONE ever stood, but they could have added something nautically themed (looka like a couple birds out there over the water), or whatever else they wanted.

The illustrator DID appear to take artistic license with the physical shape/boundaries of the fountain. Obvious, but I DIDN'T deem that s/he compromised the actual cardinal directions represented at the site

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immediately below, stock photo composite, looking due west and due east.

immediately below, stock photo looking NORTH(erly). A lot of that really tall stuff probably was NOT there in 1957, but likely something visible from ground level was standing in/around downtown Chicago.

immediately below, stock phot looking SOUTH(erly) from Queen's Landing

 

[3175375]

#806, Buckingham Fountain, in Grant_Park, Chicago, IL.

My assessment is direction looking into the illustration is, due east(erly), out into (perhaps depicted as misty) Lake Michigan. Actual placement of the car, IN the illustration, is fluid and subject to some interpretation (I tried to aligh with sculptures in the fountain).

Looks like there has always been greenery to the left (north) of Queens Landing for decades.

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This can be debated of course. I am accepting the illustrator's drawing is a faithful representation of how things generally looked in 1957. S/he could have easily left out what, even then, would have been tallish buildings visible in three directions (N, S, and W) around Grant Park.

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Looking due east, Lake Michigan has always been there. NOT likely the illustrator would have PUT buildings out there where NONE ever stood, but they could have added something nautically themed (looka like a couple birds out there over the water), or whatever else they wanted.

The illustrator DID appear to take artistic license with the physical shape/boundaries of the fountain. Obvious, but I DIDN'T s/he deem to have compromised the actual cardinal directions represented.

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immediately below, stock photo composite, looking due west and due east.
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immediately below, stock photo looking NORTH(erly
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immediately below, stock phot looking SOUTH(erly) from Queen's Landing
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I have only been through Chicago at night to get to Fort Wayne and have absolutely zero clue about how the city is laid out, what is where and I’m planning to keep it that way.

From the observations I’ve made, the city used to be nice.

 

[amazinblue82]

One of my favorite big midwestern cities. Everything, for a while, that Detroit (which is coming back strong) was not ... art, culture, museums, nightlife DOWNTOWN, etc, WITHOUT the hassle of NYC.

Things have changed there, IMHO, if one believes the popular media. I will stay outta the politics of the matter that I think may be at work.

I havent visited in a decade or so, but I believe many areas are still very nice. Like most big, urban cities, I am sure there are parts to avoid anytime of day, as well as attractions/sites that are still wonderful.

 

[3175375]

One of my favorite big midwestern cities. Everything, for a while, that Detroit (which is coming back strong) was not ... art, culture, museums, nightlife DOWNTOWN, etc, WITHOUT the hassle of NYC.

Things have changed there, IMHO, if one believes the popular media. I will stay outta the politics of the matter that I think may be at work.

I havent visited in a decade or so, but I believe many areas are still very nice. Like most big, urban cities, I am sure there are parts to avoid anytime of day, as well as attractions/sites that are still wonderful.

Toll roads has steered me away from Chi town. The continual shootings also aren’t helping with being inviting.

 

[ayilar]

I have only been through Chicago at night to get to Fort Wayne and have absolutely zero clue about how the city is laid out, what is where and I’m planning to keep it that way.

From the observations I’ve made, the city used to be nice.

"zero clue (...) observations I've made" -- call me confused.

FWIW, here's an in-person observation. The photo below shows Medina, my 1971 Monaco, parked overnight on the street in downtown Chicago. Zero issue for the car, and I felt completely comfortable walking from/to the hotel to a restaurant at night. That was 4 years ago. Fast-forward to 2 years ago: same experience, and the 100+ folks who stayed in the same area with me for a work event all enjoyed their time -- including food & drinks at night. YMMV, but I would not hesitate to repeat.

 

[3175375]

"zero clue (...) observations I've made" -- call me confused.

FWIW, here's an in-person observation. The photo below shows Medina, my 1971 Monaco, parked overnight on the street in downtown Chicago. Zero issue for the car, and I felt completely comfortable walking from/to the hotel to a restaurant at night. That was 4 years ago. Fast-forward to 2 years ago: same experience, and the 100+ folks who stayed in the same area with me for a work event all enjoyed their time -- including food & drinks at night. YMMV, but I would not hesitate to repeat.

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I also forgot to mention the lovely experience of getting into and out of Midway airport… I am glad you had a great experience!

 

[ayilar]

I also forgot to mention the lovely experience of getting into and out of Midway airport… I am glad you had a great experience!

Apparently, I must be the lucky one. Every time I've gone to Midway, I've had zero issue getting in & out. Easy drive, easy park -- though the building itself is not particularly appealing.

 

[amazinblue82]

Apparently, I must be the lucky one. Every time I've gone to Midway, I've had zero issue getting in & out. Easy drive, easy park -- though the building itself is not particularly appealing.

MDW one of my favorite "get in/get out" urban airport in any big city in the world. in the past 20 years they remodeled it ... looks great vs. 40 yrs ago.

only incident i had there was a "winter time" go around once (DTW to MDW). Southwest explanation was runway conditions were not "optimal" at the time.

landed there 30 mins. later, so guess they (MDW & Southwest Airlines) settled their issues in that time.

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PS. Back when Detroit City Airport (an urban airport like Midway) first re-opened, there was a dustup about runway length (to get anything BIGGER than a private jet (e.g., a Lear, or a Gulstream business jet -- both about 90 feet long) in there.

The longest runway needed to be several hundred feet longer. to do that, a cemetary had to be relocated. LSS, the deceaseds' relatives ix-nayed that (I think also some property owners were shakin' down the city for more money, too), and the runway did NOT get lengthened, but yet SWA/olthers were dropping 737's (like 110 -140 feet long) in there.

Gufstream on left

Couple decades ago, the company pilot (we had a G6 at the time) told me the way they (737 pilots) get in there is by landing quickly, and hitting the brakes. He mentioned Midway kinda had the same problem with runway length -- it too had land-lock issues being IN the city that prevented longer runways.

I think Detroit City (Coleman Young) Airport worked out their runway issues in the intervening years.

Maybe my imagination, after hearing that, and as much as I have flown, you can feel/hear what a plane is doing at landing - skidding, crabwalking, whatever).

At Midway & Detroit City, they come in low (neighborhood structures going by like fence posts on the highway), and then "drop" fast to land (engine power drops, and you hit kinda hard), then you gotta put up your hand on seat in front of you so you dont "faceplant" due to the hard braking (they needed every inch of runway to get from 130 knots to taxiing speed to stop anything bigger than a business jet).

 

[D Cluley]

I agree that looking towards the Lake is the obvious answer, but this exact scene never existed anywhere except on the artists canvas, so anything is really possible.

The specific thing I spotted is that while the fountain is very well rendered, the shape of the pool and the railing around it is wrong, so I assume a photo was used as a reference, but not exactly copied.

The lighting & shadows suggest that the Sun is behind the viewer and mostly overhead, so that would suggest looking North, but yes even in the '50s there should be some tall buildings visible in the background looking that way.

 

[amazinblue82]

Where is this 1958 Chieftain?

1. Upper midwest US City and State?
2. What structure is this?
3. Can you duplicate this illustration with a photo? Back then or now? I am not a structural engineer, but I have a definite opinion.

This one is easy to find, even with basic digital skill, finding it shouldn't be a challenge. A harder question is number 3. Really hard, IMO, depending on how you answer question 1. When you get there, you will see.

I will post my suggested solution this Friday. Looking forward to getting challenged.

 

[D Cluley]

Got it.