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Yeah the problem is they never stall anywhere near rated Unless they are behind a 500c.i. torque monster which 90% of folks don't have. Like the 2500 you mentioned will only flash 18-1900rpm behind a healthy 440. That's very disappointing to most when they are thinking their buying a looser...

How disappointed are you with the Hughes converter? As unless you buy a custom made race deal they never stall at advertised & have alot of issue's. As we sold them at the speed shop I worked at for many year's.