1965 Sport Fury - 383, Power Steering Seal Kit

[Mudeblue]

I need to buy a Power Steering Pump seal kit for my 1965 Sport Fury. I have taken the pump off but it has no markings or numbers. As a consequence, I can not identify if it is a Federal or a Saginaw or what model. It appears that it might be a Saginaw and I can find a seal kit on the internet for it but don't know if the seals are standard (O rings) between them. Any suggestions?

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Not a Saginaw. Federal or TRW.
Personally I would scrap it and make the change to a Saginaw. Beyond that just swap the whole pump with a reman unit, they are hard to service.

 

[CBODY67]

Where is the pump leaking? If it's from the front shaft, there's a lip seal there that's probably worn/deteriorated. AND, it's probably worn a groove into the shaft itself. There is a thin seal that is between the pump body casting and the reservoir. You have to remove the reservoir by tapping/removing it from the pump body, then reversing to reassemble. For the price of a reman pump, better to get one to swap out with your old one instead. Do keep the old pump in case you need to transfer any fittings, you can always turn it in for a core refund later.

Personally, I always liked those older Federal-style pumps. Especially that "torque reactive" mounting bracket they usually had back then! The later Saginaw pumps are good pumps, but I believe they have a little bit smaller displacement capacity, which might mean they need a smaller pulley for similar performance? They also had a smaller, ovoid-shaped neck on the reservoir, for quick and easy identification. Chrysler started phasing them into production in about '71?

Easiest thing to do is to replace your existing pump with one like it. Which will fit your existing brackets and such. Be sure to use ONLY power steering fluid in the system, NOT atf, from my own experiences.

CBODY67

 

[Mudeblue]

Not a Saginaw. Federal or TRW.
Personally I would scrap it and make the change to a Saginaw. Beyond that just swap the whole pump with a reman unit, they are hard to service.

Saginaw is not making them anymore per Autozone and O'Reilly's nor could I find it on the internet. Replacement was my original intent.

 

[Ripinator]

Saginaw is not making them anymore per Autozone and O'Reilly's nor could I find it on the internet. Replacement was my original intent.

If I was you, I would simply replace the big o-ring seal between the pump body and the reservoir / can. That is where these pumps usually leak. The pump otherwise is a pretty stout unit, and if it hasn't been run a lot dry, it is probably good to go.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Saginaw is not making them anymore per Autozone and O'Reilly's nor could I find it on the internet. Replacement was my original intent.

Saginaw does not make your pump.
Your only choice is reman. Look your car up on rock auto, leave Auto zone and Orielly's for fluids and emergencies. Follow the easy to navigate options and categories to steering pumps, find one you like that looks like yours and order it (A Saginaw does not look like yours). Yours is not a Saginaw pump, please stop saying Saginaw when speaking of your pump.
Again I..... Would scrap what you have and replace with a Saginaw, not the Federal pump you have. If you want originality, reman is your only choice, also follow the above advice of power steering fluid only those old Federals are picky.

 

[Mudeblue]

Where is the pump leaking? If it's from the front shaft, there's a lip seal there that's probably worn/deteriorated. AND, it's probably worn a groove into the shaft itself. There is a thin seal that is between the pump body casting and the reservoir. You have to remove the reservoir by tapping/removing it from the pump body, then reversing to reassemble. For the price of a reman pump, better to get one to swap out with your old one instead. Do keep the old pump in case you need to transfer any fittings, you can always turn it in for a core refund later.

Personally, I always liked those older Federal-style pumps. Especially that "torque reactive" mounting bracket they usually had back then! The later Saginaw pumps are good pumps, but I believe they have a little bit smaller displacement capacity, which might mean they need a smaller pulley for similar performance? They also had a smaller, ovoid-shaped neck on the reservoir, for quick and easy identification. Chrysler started phasing them into production in about '71?

Easiest thing to do is to replace your existing pump with one like it. Which will fit your existing brackets and such. Be sure to use ONLY power steering fluid in the system, NOT atf, from my own experiences.

CBODY67

Where is the pump leaking? If it's from the front shaft, there's a lip seal there that's probably worn/deteriorated. AND, it's probably worn a groove into the shaft itself. There is a thin seal that is between the pump body casting and the reservoir. You have to remove the reservoir by tapping/removing it from the pump body, then reversing to reassemble. For the price of a reman pump, better to get one to swap out with your old one instead. Do keep the old pump in case you need to transfer any fittings, you can always turn it in for a core refund later.

Personally, I always liked those older Federal-style pumps. Especially that "torque reactive" mounting bracket they usually had back then! The later Saginaw pumps are good pumps, but I believe they have a little bit smaller displacement capacity, which might mean they need a smaller pulley for similar performance? They also had a smaller, ovoid-shaped neck on the reservoir, for quick and easy identification. Chrysler started phasing them into production in about '71?

Easiest thing to do is to replace your existing pump with one like it. Which will fit your existing brackets and such. Be sure to use ONLY power steering fluid in the system, NOT atf, from my own experiences.

CBODY67

 

[Mudeblue]

Saginaw does not make your pump.
Your only choice is reman. Look your car up on rock auto, leave Auto zone and Orielly's for fluids and emergencies. Follow the easy to navigate options and categories to steering pumps, find one you like that looks like yours and order it (A Saginaw does not look like yours). Yours is not a Saginaw pump, please stop saying Saginaw when speaking of your pump.
Again I..... Would scrap what you have and replace with a Saginaw, not the Federal pump you have. If you want originality, reman is your only choice, also follow the above advice of power steering fluid only those old Federals are picky.

They don't have and a "look alike" cost $500 and then it would not fit my brackets based upon their picture! Thanks anyway.

 

[Mudeblue]

Where is the pump leaking? If it's from the front shaft, there's a lip seal there that's probably worn/deteriorated. AND, it's probably worn a groove into the shaft itself. There is a thin seal that is between the pump body casting and the reservoir. You have to remove the reservoir by tapping/removing it from the pump body, then reversing to reassemble. For the price of a reman pump, better to get one to swap out with your old one instead. Do keep the old pump in case you need to transfer any fittings, you can always turn it in for a core refund later.

Personally, I always liked those older Federal-style pumps. Especially that "torque reactive" mounting bracket they usually had back then! The later Saginaw pumps are good pumps, but I believe they have a little bit smaller displacement capacity, which might mean they need a smaller pulley for similar performance? They also had a smaller, ovoid-shaped neck on the reservoir, for quick and easy identification. Chrysler started phasing them into production in about '71?

Easiest thing to do is to replace your existing pump with one like it. Which will fit your existing brackets and such. Be sure to use ONLY power steering fluid in the system, NOT atf, from my own experiences.

CBODY67

That was my first choice but could not find one locally or after spending hours on the internet. Thanks anyway

 

[Mudeblue]

If I was you, I would simply replace the big o-ring seal between the pump body and the reservoir / can. That is where these pumps usually leak. The pump otherwise is a pretty stout unit, and if it hasn't been run a lot dry, it is probably good to go.

Done! Rebuild the pump myself. Thanks

 

[Mudeblue]

Thanks everyone. Bought a kit and rebuilt the pump. None of the "look alikes" would fit; all had one hole for mounting on back of reservoir and mine has two. Did not want to take a chance on buying a "look alike" and then not fitting bracket. Have not mounted it yet because I repainted it with engine high temperature paint and now waiting for that to dry for a few days as recommended. See no reason why it should leak again and also replaced all hoses while I was doing the surgery; face lift you might say. Thanks again>

 

[CBODY67]

("Look alike?")

 

[Ripinator]

Thanks everyone. Bought a kit and rebuilt the pump. None of the "look alikes" would fit; all had one hole for mounting on back of reservoir and mine has two. Did not want to take a chance on buying a "look alike" and then not fitting bracket. Have not mounted it yet because I repainted it with engine high temperature paint and now waiting for that to dry for a few days as recommended. See no reason why it should leak again and also replaced all hoses while I was doing the surgery; face lift you might say. Thanks again>

Please let us know how this "rebuild" works out after you fire up the engine and run the pump.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Rock Auto has them

Core charge seems steep but if you insist on playing with old junk I guess you have to pay. Good luck next time you ask a question read the answer instead of making up what you want.

 

[commando1]

Avoid the hassle of Rockauto.
Drop your unit off at AZ and skip waiting for the refund for the core.

IF, the morons at your AZ even know how to handle this transaction.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Avoid the hassle of Rockauto.
Drop your unit off at AZ and skip waiting for the refund for the core.

IF, the morons at your AZ even know how to handle this transaction.

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Avoid the whole thing by ordering a new Saginaw pump from RA and brackets from Buchillion convert to something that they made in mass and still making today, not to mention it is 10x more reliable.
No it's better to argue with the people helping you, using the pimple faced Facebook hero at the counter at AutoZone as your reference. Where is the rant thread?

 

[Mudeblue]

Please let us know how this "rebuild" works out after you fire up the engine and run the pump.

Please let us know how this "rebuild" works out after you fire up the engine and run the pump.

Pump installed, primed and road tested. NO LEAKS and working like a champ. Most difficult part was getting the car jacked up to get the pump primed. I live in a retirement community and the garage and working conditions are the most conducive for working on a car! Thanks for the input.

 

[Ripinator]

Pump installed, primed and road tested. NO LEAKS and working like a champ. Most difficult part was getting the car jacked up to get the pump primed. I live in a retirement community and the garage and working conditions are the most conducive for working on a car! Thanks for the input.

Mighty fine!