For Sale 1971 300 coupe Rallye Red?

[Carmine]

Friend sent me this. I know nothing beyond what you see. It strikes me as rare, so I bothered to post horrible FB crap.

 

[Wollfen]

Being Texas you just know it has a good body.

 

[Carmine]

Being Texas you just know it has a good body.

Yep. And the drivetrain heads to another belly-button '74 Duster project.

 

[68PK21 440.6bbl]

See if I can scavenge the picture from facecrap

Text of ad to be handy, (same as above pic) Chat say's he'll put up more pics tonight or tomorrow.

1970 Chrysler 300 parts
Marshall, TX
$1

Parting out hate to see it scrapped too many nice parts. hood, front fenders,front bumper w grill headlights and headlight motor complete assy., rear bumper w taillights, side marker lights, all chrome,shifter, dash and gauges, all glass, and anything else I can get off car. Interior is rough, bucket seats,etc. Using $ for other projects No Engine, Transmission or Differential.. hit me up for what you need. Thanks Dan...

 

[saforwardlook]

Dumbass to ruin a car like that. It looks straight and rust free as far as I can tell, and well optioned. Even the front driver bucket seat doesn't look hardly worn at all, despite the falling headliner laying on it. Probably low miles, which is why he wanted the driveline more than likely.

 

[Samplingman]

What kind of FTard would cut up a console like that?

 

[fury fan]

And you can tell those cuts are from a circular saw. So not only wasteful of a rare console, but an unsafe act also.

Let's not get too dejected over this one. There's surface rust all over the dash, steering column, shifter handle, 8-track door, insulation and backing board in drivers footwell, drivers doorpanel all cracked, some unknown BS laying on back seat, busted windshield. This car is an absolute mess and I'd bet it stinks like hell inside.

And it may be in TX, but there's no guarantee it's rustfree. Could've lived in OH and rusted out its first 15 years, then moved to TX to sun-bake the interior for the next 15 years, and then really turned to **** in the last 17 years of sitting.

If this were a sitting as-is with its drivetrain would we pay more than $2000 for it? I wouldn't.

 

[fury fan]

Throw $8000 of work in that and it might start to look like a $4000 car.

 

[saforwardlook]

And you can tell those cuts are from a circular saw. So not only wasteful of a rare console, but an unsafe act also.

Let's not get too dejected over this one. There's surface rust all over the dash, steering column, shifter handle, 8-track door, insulation and backing board in drivers footwell, drivers doorpanel all cracked, some unknown BS laying on back seat, busted windshield. This car is an absolute mess and I'd bet it stinks like hell inside.

And it may be in TX, but there's no guarantee it's rustfree. Could've lived in OH and rusted out its first 15 years, then moved to TX to sun-bake the interior for the next 15 years, and then really turned to **** in the last 17 years of sitting.

If this were a sitting as-is with its drivetrain would we pay more than $2000 for it? I wouldn't.

The part of the dash you say has surface rust "all over the dash" is vinyl, but if you were familiar with these models, you would know they are prone to ooze plasticizers when exposed to relentless sun (like in Texas), and the only part of the lower dash that is metal in those photos is adjacent to the ash trays only and it isn't particularly unusual. Those plasticizers may look a bit gross over time, but they also tend to keep the pads from splitting, unlike the cheaper pads in the Dodges and Plymouth C bodies that crack easily in any significant sun exposure.

Look at the exterior of the car, it is very nice and has what might well be the original paint is still mostly there, and the chrome is pretty nice too (even the "THREE HUNDRED" emblems on the rear of the front fender are remarkably unpitted - very nice). Just look at the door pull on the driver door no less, which is very nice with what looks like only one crack near the middle from the part we can see, one of the reasons I also think it is low miles. The steering column "rust" is minor and not unusual for those circular pieces on the T&T General Motors built columns (steel wool used on it would make those pits mostly disappear - I have done it many times), or on the 8 track player door either even here in California. Yeah, the door panels are split from excessive sunlight, but that is not unexpected in the Southwest either.

Given how well optioned it is generally (a/c, am-8 track tape radio with 3 speakers in the top of the dash, console, buckets, T&T wheel, power windows etc), I wouldn't be surprised if it had the 440HP engine in it originally either.

I have some idea when these cars are worth saving, and IMO, this one is definitely in the camp of saving. I would like to see more photos, but I would have definitely paid more than $2000 for it. I know these models very well and have quite a few of them, so I have been around the block a few times with them.

This isn't some Indiana rust bucket that you must be used to that smells of mold.

 

[rapidtrans]

Have at it someone. Hope to see it here at Carlisle in 5yrs.

 

[Carmine]

Have at it someone. Hope to see it here at Carlisle in 5yrs.

Spring Fling.

 

[Carmine]

The part of the dash you say has surface rust "all over the dash" is vinyl, but if you were familiar with these models, you would know they are prone to ooze plasticizers when exposed to relentless sun (like in Texas), and the only part of the lower dash that is metal in those photos is adjacent to the ash trays only and it isn't particularly unusual. Those plasticizers may look a bit gross over time, but they also tend to keep the pads from splitting, unlike the cheaper pads in the Dodges and Plymouth C bodies that crack easily in any significant sun exposure.

Look at the exterior of the car, it is very nice and has what might well be the original paint is still mostly there, and the chrome is pretty nice too (even the "THREE HUNDRED" emblems on the rear of the front fender are remarkably unpitted - very nice). Just look at the door pull on the driver door no less, which is very nice with what looks like only one crack near the middle from the part we can see, one of the reasons I also think it is low miles. The steering column "rust" is minor and not unusual for those circular pieces on the T&T General Motors built columns (steel wool used on it would make those pits mostly disappear - I have done it many times), or on the 8 track player door either even here in California. Yeah, the door panels are split from excessive sunlight, but that is not unexpected in the Southwest either.

Given how well optioned it is generally (a/c, am-8 track tape radio with 3 speakers in the top of the dash, console, buckets, T&T wheel, etc), I wouldn't be surprised if it had the 440HP engine in it originally either.

I have some idea when these cars are worth saving, and IMO, this one is definitely in the camp of saving. I would like to see more photos, but I would have definitely paid more than $2000 for it. I know these models very well and have quite a few of them, so I have been around the block a few times with them.

This isn't some Indiana rust bucket that you must be used to that smells of mold.

That could be (if it was properly optioned, and with a vinyl-top-ectmoy) a perfect book end for a '55 300.

 

[fury fan]

The part of the dash you say has surface rust "all over the dash" is vinyl, but if you were familiar with these models, you would know they are prone to ooze plasticizers when exposed to ...

I mentioned surface rust in a number of places as an indicator that this car has had water inside. Yes, I said 'dash' and didn't specify 'not the vinyl part', but this is what I was referring to, as well as the shifter, 8-track door, etc - many of the dash metal parts show a moist interior at some point. I'm fully familiar with the gooey dashpad, forgive me for not specifying that. How many Fusey Chryslers have I owned? You don't know.

Look at the exterior of the car, it is very nice and has what might well be the original paint is still mostly there, and the chrome is pretty nice too (even the "THREE HUNDRED" emblems on the rear of the front fender are remarkably unpitted - very nice).

Car is 47 years old. Might be original paint, or could be a 30 year-old color-change paintjob. Here are 2 areas that look damaged. I'm not saying they aren't fixable, but there's a lot more to this car that we *can't* see, so who know what else lurks?

Just look at the door pull on the driver door no less, which is very nice with what looks like only one crack near the middle from the part we can see, one of the reasons I also think it is low miles. The steering column "rust" is minor and not unusual for those circular pieces on the T&T General Motors built columns (steel wool used on it would make those pits mostly disappear - I have done it many times), or on the 8 track player door either even here in California. Yeah, the door panels are split from excessive sunlight, but that is not unexpected in the Southwest either.

You can get excited about the door pull if you want. But the rest of the whole panel is obviously in poor condition. Whether it is expected or not, they appear not-very-usable as-is. And so what if this car has low mileage? Who cares about some numbers on an odometer at this point? Is that a 30k-mile windshield?

Given how well optioned it is generally (a/c, am-8 track tape radio with 3 speakers in the top of the dash, console, buckets, T&T wheel, etc), I wouldn't be surprised if it had the 440HP engine in it originally either.

And given the rarity of the TNTs, I would be surprised if it was. Neither of us is more right or wrong than the other guy on this.

I have some idea when these cars are worth saving, and IMO, this one is definitely in the camp of saving. I would like to see more photos, but I would have definitely paid more than $2000 for it. I know these models very well and have quite a few of them, so I have been around the block a few times with them.

And perhaps you have a lot more parts to put one back together. The average guy does not. Most of us on this board do not. The car isn't sitting there with a pile of used parts to replace everything that needs replacing, either. I gave my opinion on this car, as it stands, with the limited info -- info that shows it needs money everywhere. The 2-year console is a prime example of a difficult to find part, and this one has been destroyed. (whether you have a spare one to put in it is immaterial)

This isn't some Indiana rust bucket that you must be used to that smells of mold.

Again, we (and that includes you, BTW) have no idea of the history of this car, and I explained that pretty well earlier. It's 47 years old, it's fool's folly to automatically assume that because it's in TX now that it's always been there.

I didn't say it smells of mold. I said 'stinks', meaning 'bad'. Hot TX heat, an obviously poor interior with lots of clutter in it - this car has been 'abandoned' from love and I would fully expect a smell to hit me when opening the door. It may have had mice problems, the guy selling it might've smoked cigars in it when he was checking it out. Regardless of what an expert you are in these cars, you cannot say that I am wrong on that, because you can't prove it smells nice.

If 'IN rustbucket' is some type of dig at me and/or where I live, stow it, because you don't what cars I've ever owned or where they came from.

 

[Yeahrightgreer]

I decided to look into a little bit more. I don’t think the seller has any aspirations of the car being resurrected and saved. Mostly interested in saving all the usable parts. Said the car was used as tree and lawn art before his ownership.

 

[saforwardlook]

I mentioned surface rust in a number of places as an indicator that this car has had water inside. Yes, I said 'dash' and didn't specify 'not the vinyl part', but this is what I was referring to, as well as the shifter, 8-track door, etc - many of the dash metal parts show a moist interior at some point. I'm fully familiar with the gooey dashpad, forgive me for not specifying that. How many Fusey Chryslers have I owned? You don't know.
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Car is 47 years old. Might be original paint, or could be a 30 year-old color-change paintjob. Here are 2 areas that look damaged. I'm not saying they aren't fixable, but there's a lot more to this car that we *can't* see, so who know what else lurks?
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You can get excited about the door pull if you want. But the rest of the whole panel is obviously in poor condition. Whether it is expected or not, they appear not-very-usable as-is. And so what if this car has low mileage? Who cares about some numbers on an odometer at this point? Is that a 30k-mile windshield?


And given the rarity of the TNTs, I would be surprised if it was. Neither of us is more right or wrong than the other guy on this.


And perhaps you have a lot more parts to put one back together. The average guy does not. Most of us on this board do not. The car isn't sitting there with a pile of used parts to replace everything that needs replacing, either. I gave my opinion on this car, as it stands, with the limited info -- info that shows it needs money everywhere. The 2-year console is a prime example of a difficult to find part, and this one has been destroyed. (whether you have a spare one to put in it is immaterial)


Again, we (and that includes you, BTW) have no idea of the history of this car, and I explained that pretty well earlier. It's 47 years old, it's fool's folly to automatically assume that because it's in TX now that it's always been there.

I didn't say it smells of mold. I said 'stinks', meaning 'bad'. Hot TX heat, an obviously poor interior with lots of clutter in it - this car has been 'abandoned' from love and I would fully expect a smell to hit me when opening the door. It may have had mice problems, the guy selling it might've smoked cigars in it when he was checking it out. Regardless of what an expert you are in these cars, you cannot say that I am wrong on that, because you can't prove it smells nice.

If 'IN rustbucket' is some type of dig at me and/or where I live, stow it, because you don't what cars I've ever owned or where they came from.

The surface rust on the car, in the interior mostly it appears, is likely due to the high humidity in Texas, not from an Eastern environment, and even in your photos, or subsequent ones, I see precious little rust on the car to have been in the East ever. You can get testy when a different opinon comes up, as you often do on this site, but that car is very saveable by me and yes, I do have plenty of parts to fix it up including consoles. You are the one denigrating a very fixable and desirable model, and I am still maintaining it was very worth saving before he stole its guts, and to someone like me, even afterward, although I don't need another one.

That is why I say it is not the usual rust bucket you seem to see back East. My comment has nothing to do with what you have owned, so I don't know why you go there. I have had a lot of southwest cars similar to that one and have yet to have one that smelled bad. You apparently have not. And most cars I restore get replacement door panels from SMS, so nothing new here. If you had any familiarity with the door pulls on these models, you would know what I am talking about. And yes, low miles always means something to me in terms of restoration efforts and scope. I have no problem restoring cars like this, but I draw the line at Eastern rust buckets.

And when done, these cars are very desirable in Europe, too, and they pay a lot for them. However, I do not restore my cars to make money on them - I restore them because I like them. Very few of these cars, if restored, will get your money back, so all those points about what is would cost to do this one are not meaningful to me, as what matters is whether I like it or not and whether, when done, it would be worth the effort. If it was a patched Eastern rust bucket, I would agree with you, but it is not from what I see.


What it should have become................................(but with the proper road wheel center caps!). And judging from the vinyl roof overlap lines on the top of the roof of the car that is the subject of this discussion, it appears it was indeed a vinyl roof car too like the one below.

 

[Golden Banana]

I got an entire black interior for this car ....including loaded dash. console and shifter

 

[fury fan]

Here's the one you really should've left out:

You can get testy when a different opinon comes up, as you often do on this site,

• I voiced my opinion about the car, yes. I like my opinions and will support them with marked pictures and 'evidence' if I choose, as I did here.
• You love your opinions as much as I do mine -- you cannot deny that.
• In FS threads I often point out what I see in pictures to help those that might not see detail (and have been complimented for it by others on this board).
• You made sure to click your disagree 3 times, then went further to essentially tell me MY OPINION was wrong (why, because it differed from yours???).
• You then made a veiled comment about the cars I am used to, and that I don't know enough about these cars (twice on that).

I've made no comments about you personally in this thread, you started that on me, but you had already referred to someone you don't even know as a dumbass -- was I just next in line?

Finally - don't tell me what I don't know when you don't know me at all. You may know more about these cars than I do but that doesn't justify you to be condescending and superior.

And with all of this 'banter', we still have *zero* evidence of what the understructure looks like, a VIN, any FT info, or even a good set of pictures.
Nobody has provided any history for where this car has been (other than it was yard-art before the seller got it).


And if you plan to come at me yet again, read these 12 points, and reread this whole thread critically if you need to.
I've re-read this again (at least 3rd time), and here's a general rundown.

1. Carmine posted a car.
2. You called the owner/seller (or somebody) a dumbass and speculated the car had low miles and is why he took the drivetrain.
3. Somebody mentioned the cut-up console.
4. I mentioned the console also and surface rust in the interior and a bunch of other flaws visible in the available pictures. I said I'd bet it stinks inside. I said being in TX now doesn't mean it's always been there.
5. Next I gave my opinion that thowing a certain amount of money at it would not pay off.
6. Then you started what you started: You clicked your little 'disagree' twice and then proceeded to tell me I don't know enough about these dashboards. Some blah, blah, blah and another assumption that it is low mileage.
7. Then you made a comment about the moldy rustbuckets I am used to.
8. I clarified the gooey dash thing with a picture of surface rust, circled some obvious body damage that was in teh original pictures, and quoted a few things you misinterpreted.
9. You did your clicky disagree again.
10. Yeahrightgreer posted some pics showing more issues with this 'nice' car.
11. You then became a forensic metallurgist and opined about what part of the country caused the surface rust in the interior. You also say this prior comment about moldy rustbuckets wasn't about me and that I 'went there'. Apparently you forgot that you typed 'This isn't some Indiana rust bucket that you must be used to that smells of mold.' And a comment 'that if I had any familiarity with the door pulls'. (I know about these door pulls from 2 cars I have owned, but I don't get excited about a nice pull when it's attached to a crappy-condition car).
12. As far as this car/thread goes, I'm done with you. I generally don't hold a grudge, so I expect you and me to have a clean slate in the next thread we meet in.

 

[saforwardlook]

I just said I disagree, but I will say that since it shows up in red, some people such as yourself seem to assume it means more than that. It would be better in black, like the other opinions.

You are really sensitive to a differing opinion and read much more into something than is there. So I will keep that in mind in the future, and will refrain from replying to any of your posts as a result. It isn't worth it. I don't hold grudges either, so lets just move on. These are only 47 year old cars we are discussing, not something really important.

Oh, and here is a photo of the understructure. Just a pretty normal desert/southwest dirt covered understructure with no rust issues that I see - a very nice body really. And it is a T code engine. Overall, it is a very rust free car as I predicted given other clues on the body, with only a few spots due to moisture rather than salt type rust.

 

[71Polara383]

I'm not sure what they were thinking when they HACKED this car apart for the drivetrain. It was infact a low mile car. Showing 17,590 on the dash. It went to a good home and I was glad to deliver it. Really made me like the styling of the Chrysler 300...still not a Dodge though...