For Sale 1972 New Yorker Coupe (B5 blue, parchment, $5.5k)

[ayilar]

Not mine. I found this CL ad for a '72 NYer in Sutherland near North Platte, Nebraska a couple of days ago. The mileage is claimed to be 150k miles, but the odometer suggests it may be "just" 105k miles.

I see some stains on the interior and some curling around the driver-side vinyl edge, but otherwise the car looks to be in good shape for a 100k+ miles car. I have reached out to the seller for the fender tag to check, but the color of the rad support and firewall make me think that, even if it has been repainted, it is the original hue. The car has ATC II.

EDIT: it is indeed GB5. The car has Tilt & Telescopic Steering Column (w/Rim Blow), cornering lights, and a fancy radio among the options.

 

[bigmoparjeff]

Looks like a pretty good deal.

 

[ayilar]

I keep puzzling over this car. The VIN indicates a '72 NYer Brougham (CS23). All the badging shows Brougham, and the door panels have the special Broughasm armrests. So, it's a Brougham.

CS23T2C316721's fender tag indicates that the interior should be J3L3, which according to the sales materials is the code for a parchment all-vinyl interior. Save for the color, though, the seats look pretty much like those in @oliver's car -- which is a regular NYer (CH23, as shown in the tag @oliver posted). In contrast, what I think the seats should look like can be seen in this photo of yet another '72 Brougham.

In the seller's pics, the color is correct, everything looks original, yet the front and back seats look like E3L3 -- that is, the cloth & vinyl split bench for the regular NYer (Oliver's seats are E4Y5, all-vinyl seats in the same style as E3L3).

The first pic below (from Fuselage.de's scans of the sales brochure for 1972) shows the Brougham seats (B) and the NYer seats (E). The other pics, courtesy of the Hamtramck Registry, show similar differences between Brougham and regular NYer seats.

Anyone care to chime in and explain to me what I am missing? Are the sales materials off (which the slight mismatch between the Brougham seats seems to suggest) or were the GB5 car's seats replaced at some point?

 

[ceebuddy]

I agree in the blue car (CS23T2C316721) being a New Yorker Brougham.

The seats very much look like the standard New Yorker two-door HT cloth & vinyl seats. Yet they do look original to the car.

According to the 1972 color and upholstery selector no cloth and vinyl seats were available for the New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop, and no genuine leather either. In other words: If you bought a 1972 New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop, vinyl bucket seats were forced on you. At least according to the book.

This is somewhat surprisng since this model was aimed at the not-so-poor clientele which often was not the youngest people. I assume that quite a few of these more or less elderly customers preferred cloth over vinyl. This is reflected in the 1973 color & upholstery selector which offered buyers of a 1973 New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop the choice of the standard vinyl bucket seats or optional cloth & vinyl split-back bench seat.

So my theory is this: The 1972 color and upholstery selector is not accurate as customers interested in buying a 1972 New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop complained about seat availability at the dealerships. Later in the model year this was corrected and then a cloth & vinyl split-back bench became optional in the 1972 New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop, using the cloth & vinyl seats from the standard New Yorker and new door panels for the Broiugham in parchment.

Just a theory, but I guess it makes some sense.

I couldn't see the fender tag of the blue car (CS23T2C316721). What interior code does it list? I would also assume the car was built rather late in the model year run, to fit my above theory.

Also note that the door panels of the blue car are defintiely Brougham door panels and in parchment, at that. However, according to the 1972 color and upholstery selector, this color was not a choice offered for 1972 New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtops, which could only be had with a tan, green, white or black (vinyl) interior--at least according to the book.

So either my theory is correct--or the interior of the car in question is cobbled together from door panels from a 1973 New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop in parchment and cloth & vinyl seats from a regular 1972 New Yorker two-door hardtop, also in parchment (because of the pattern and seams being different the seats must be from 1972). Wheighing those two alternatives I think my theory is more probable.

 

[ayilar]

Thank you @ceebuddy for your helpful response. I think your theory may be right.

I have attached a scan of the Nebraska car's fender tag below. As you guessed, it was indeed a very late build: July 21, 1972. The listed interior code is J3L3, which should not exist according to the materials on the two sites I referenced but which the Mopar decoder identifies as cloth & vinyl spilt beach (while not always 100% right, in this case the decoder seems to be correct: it identifies as "Trim - Unknown, Cloth & Vinyl Split-Back Bench Seat, Parchment". The corresponding code on a NYer should be E3L3 as per my earlier post, and the door panels would look very different. Parchment door panels were not supposed to exist on a 2-door '72 Brougham, so your guess on the '73 panels seems on point.

C: Chrysler
S: New Yorker Brougham
23:2-Door Hardtop

T: 440 cid 4 barrel V8 225hp (net)
2: 1972
C: Jefferson Avenue, MI, USA

316721: Sequence number

E85: 440 cid 4 barrel V8 225hp (net)
D34: Automatic Transmission
GB5: Bright Blue Poly Exterior Color
J3L3: Trim - Unknown, Cloth & Vinyl Split-Back Bench Seat, Parchment
000: Full Door Panels
721: Build Date: July 21
521713: Order number

V1X: Full Vinyl Top, Black
H53: Single Air-Temp AC (Auto tempII)
R35: AM/FM Stereo Radio (10 Watts)
L31: Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals
L35: Cornering Lamps

M45: Fender Skirts
P31: Power Windows
P41: Power Door Locks
S61: Tilt/Telescopic Steering Column
N23: Electronic Ignition System

V5B: Body Side Stripes, Light Blue
G11: Tinted Glass (all)

R32: Dual Rear Speakers

 

[ceebuddy]

I guess there was a bulletin to explain this new interior choice to Chrysler salespeople some time in the second half of the 1972 model year run.

By the way, J3L3 is also the trim code for the 1973 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham two-door hardtop cloth & vinyl split back bench seat in parchment.

 

[ayilar]

Sold yesterday to someone in NC.