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Just read an article in Motor Trend about cars getting the axe in 2020. Looks like most of the major manufacturers are killing off models. Some will be replaced, some will just receive a new name or designation, and some will be gone. There’s no mention of Chrysler, but says that Fiat’s sales have been steadily falling and they will discontinue all variations of the 500. That’s the car they re-entered the US market with. Its no stretch of the imagination then, to think the Italians would let Chrysler die.
 
as long as gas is reasonable here i imagine suv sales will remain high.
Well that seems to be the idea with Ford and GM, apparently. They’re cutting production of cars to ramp up on crossovers and suvs. But again, no mention of Chrysler.
 
Its no stretch of the imagination then, to think the Italians would let Chrysler die.
Letting the Chrysler name die maybe but I'd be surprised if they let Jeep and Ram go because they are still valuable. I'm currently in Austria and I'm seeing a lot of Jeeps and even some Rams on the road here.
 
With staggering sticker prices, 8 year loans, lack of selection etc. Its no wonder the manufacturers are struggling. I'll keep buying old cars and fixing them up, even for my daily driver, thank you.
 
Letting the Chrysler name die maybe but I'd be surprised if they let Jeep and Ram go because they are still valuable. I'm currently in Austria and I'm seeing a lot of Jeeps and even some Rams on the road here.
You’re right, there. Jeep and Ram are strong sellers with big profits. I don’t know how Fiat or Alfa are doing worldwide, but its a safe bet Jeep and Ram are helping FCA stay afloat
 
The RAM pickups here in the Netherlands are the best selling of the big 3...
It,s a small market here but whe have good taste....:)
 
I do not understand how we still have eo many manu anyway. There is a huge glut of new and used vehicles. There are in excess of 5000 in the carlisle/harrisburg area alone.
 
Well that seems to be the idea with Ford and GM, apparently. They’re cutting production of cars to ramp up on crossovers and suvs.

IMO, I don't think Ford or GM have offered a decent car since dropping the Crown Vic and full size RWD Impala/Caprice. I'll stick to Honda for my cars.

Here's an article that I sped through yesterday. https://jalopnik.com/the-collapse-might-finally-be-here-1838696472

Personally, I think new car, SUV and light truck prices in general have become extremely excessive. I also think that some manufactures are misreading consumers, intentionally or not, and are only producing their biggest profit vehicles, like Ford dropping small cars to ramp up crazy priced SUVs and trucks. Then you have companies like GM getting political and pledging to be "eco friendly" by turning their fleet into all electric vehicles, which aren't very popular around here. As long as I have a choice I'll never buy a coal powered electric vehicle that has the same life span as my cell phone.:realcrazy:
 
Jeep and Ram are the FCA cash cows. I certainly see the Chrysler and Dodge brands going away. The LX cars are what, about 15 years old, basically unchanged, with the occasional new color and no replacement in site. The same can be said of Cadillac sedans. I figure the Big 3 will be out of the car business solely interested in SUVs and trucks.
 
The Chrysler brand may die off.....unless they start making an Imperial again.

Dodge is selling as many Hellcats and Scat Packs as they are building. Ram is currently the #1 truck being sold in the U.S. and Dodge SUV's are selling like crazy too. Even the Challenger's with the 3.6L's are selling too and I see the price tags on those cars from $30k to $39k.

Graham, care to comment.....
 
Jeep and Ram are the FCA cash cows. I certainly see the Chrysler and Dodge brands going away. The LX cars are what, about 15 years old, basically unchanged, with the occasional new color and no replacement in site. The same can be said of Cadillac sedans. I figure the Big 3 will be out of the car business solely interested in SUVs and trucks.

As far as the LX cars the Challengers pretty much stayed the same. The Charger looks has drastically transformed and I really like them. Of course I own one but I would say that even I didn't own one.

I'm sure Mopar will bring something new. I hear chatter about a lot of off the wall stuff like a Cuda coming back to life, an Imperial could make a comeback, and there's talk of a retro 68 Charger similar to one presented at SEMA last year.

One thing for sure.....Dodge will be in the performance game for a long time to come.
 
As I mentioned in other threads. The LX platform with ANY 6 Litre engine is going to be the next collector car craze. I've seen a lot of 1st Gen LX cars with 6.1L's selling now in the $30k's.
 
As I mentioned in other threads. The LX platform with ANY 6 Litre engine is going to be the next collector car craze. I've seen a lot of 1st Gen LX cars with 6.1L's selling now in the $30k's.

I guess these are very low mileage cars……...
 
The Chrysler LX platform was updated for the 2011 model year and is now technically called the LD platform. So it is now 10 model years old. There was some talk of whether they would update the platform again for the 3rd gen cars or switch to the Giorgio platform that underpins the Alfa Romeo Giulia. There was also talk that the Charger would survive for a third generation but the 300 would get the axe.

I'm not surprised that Fiat is pulling out of NA again. It's a niche vehicle in the same segment as Mini, and the brand never really had the cachet that Mini did to begin with. Aside from the Fiat brand, Chrysler was the first to jettison their compact car models, the Chrysler 200 and Dodge Dart. Then Ford announced that most of their sedans were getting the axe, and now finally GM. The automakers can see financial headwinds coming, and they are battening down the hatches.

Asian import sedan sales are slowing down too, but not as much as the domestics. Many people are buying CUVs instead. Most of those don't have a significant fuel economy disadvantage versus the car platforms that they're based on. You're not going to see droves of people trading them in for economy cars if fuel prices spike again, like what happened in the Great Recession. I also read one statistic that consumers often go down one vehicle size when trading from sedan to CUV because they are more space-efficient too, which would also help with fuel economy. (I don't know if that last point is universally true though. last winter I talked with a dealership owner in Vermont who said he didn't think that was the case in his area.)

New vehicle sales are slowing down, and the average age of all vehicles on the road has been creeping upwards. One reason for the slowdown is that the cash-for-clunkers programs distorted the market by pulling ahead future new-vehicle purchases, and many of those vehicles are still on the road. More recently, light truck sales (including CUVs) were also propping-up new vehicle sales, but they've started to slow down as well.

I've read that auto plants need to be running at at least 80% capacity utilization in order to be profitable. Some of GMs plants are running at only 50-60% so they have significant overcapacity. That's why GM is going to the wall with the union now. GM doesn't want to make any concessions which they'll regret if sales continue to fall, and especially if there is another recession. There won't be another automaker bailout next time.

https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/gm-overcapacity-lurks-shadows-uaw-strike

Another concern of GM, which they've stated explicitly, is the promise/threat of electric vehicles. The technology continues to improve while costs come down. Once the economics work out favorably, mass consumer adoption may come relatively swiftly. For comparison, look at the changeover of the rail industry from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric locomotives.
 
I dunno how anyone can claim these little **** boxes are economical. I had to drive a soul sucking Dodge Journey for a week while all the doors on the van got repaired at the stealership. It used twice as much fuel as the town and country. And you don't get in it, you have to put it on to drive anywhere. Seriously the mileage sucks. A tank and a quarter for a 280 mile trip. I guess they're great if you have another vehicle tow you to speed. If you have to accelerate on your own, look out. I think the Ram could have done better.
 
I've been very happy with my 2016 Hyundai accent....never below 38mpg, normally 42 hwy....bought used for less than 9k....400 mile range without the eco mode engaged.....for $20 in gas.
I put $20 in my newport the other day and almost....but not really....got to 1/4 tank. lol
 
Out of the 4 Mopar's I have. The Scat Pack with almost 500 HP gets the best gas mileage. I can get 22 mpg with it or I can burn through a full tank in less than 30 minutes. At 11.2 to 1 compression I don't think the performance is bad at all and I don't mind keeping it full of 93 octane.
 
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