Pertronix Ignitor 2 on my '66 Imp

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Hello all,
I recently purchased the Ignitor 2 for Bess (kit# 91381A).
Now, according to the instructions, it is recommended - but not required - to remove the ballast resistor for this thing to work. I have checked on various forums and it appears folks have been doing it either way with success. I am waiting for a response from Pertronix on this very question. However, I did go ahead and install with the BR in place and so far, so good.
Just thought I would share my personal experience thus far.
 
If you didn't change the coil I wouldn't do it. However if you change to a more modern coil, i.e. can handle 12v then by all means bypass the ballast.

When I did mine I used their flamethrower coil, bypased the ballast, and haven't been happier.
 
If you didn't change the coil I wouldn't do it. However if you change to a more modern coil, i.e. can handle 12v then by all means bypass the ballast.

When I did mine I used their flamethrower coil, bypased the ballast, and haven't been happier.

I did the same. Works perfect..
 
If you didn't change the coil I wouldn't do it. However if you change to a more modern coil, i.e. can handle 12v then by all means bypass the ballast.

When I did mine I used their flamethrower coil, bypased the ballast, and haven't been happier.
Did you see a significant bump in performance? Wondering if I should upgrade the coil. I have my dummy ballast resistor ready in case.
 
The suggested coil for the Pertronix is a .6 ohm primary resistance coil. That's lower in resistance than the standard coil for a points ignition (1.5 ohms)

This is where everyone needs to stop thinking in terms of voltage when it comes to ignition coils. A coil for a car with a conventional ignition and a 12 volt system will use a coil with more primary resistance than a car that has a 6 volt system.

Simply stated, it's all about matching the primary resistance to the ignition system.
 
Actually the coil recommended for the kit on a V8 is 1.5ohm.

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They pulled that crap on my brother and his ran like crap with a .6 coil. Bought a 1.5 coil and wired it up like stock was fixed the problem. I think Pertronix doesn't know what it's doing or talking about.
 
Actually the coil recommended for the kit on a V8 is 1.5ohm.

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That chart isn't on the instruction sheet I have for the Pertronix Ignitor II I have in my Barracuda.

EDIT: Just looked again and that is a chart for the Flamethrower coil for the Ignitor and not for the Ignitor II that we are discussing.

The website specifies a .6 ohm Flamethrower II coil.

Ignitor II

My instruction sheet.

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"0.45 Ohms or greater" 1.5 Ohm would be greater. As would the 0.6 Ohm Flamethrower II
 
This is all I got back from Pertronix:

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If you the hottest spark you should remove the ballast resistor. The more voltage you put into a coil the hotter the spark at the plug.
If you wanted to keep it looking stock. Then just follow the wiring diagram on how to wire with a ballast resistor.

Your Pertronix Team,
Marvin Grebow Jr.

Technical Dept.
 
Keep us updated.
FWIW. I went back to points, cond, stock coil after frying my second Pertronics II and Flamethrower coils.
Car starts and runs better now.
 
Ultimately burning up a coil is not about voltage but power, specifically how much power the primary windings can handle without overheating. P=V*V/R or Power (Watts) equals voltage squared divided by resistance. If you have a ballast resistor in series, that adds to the total resistance, limiting the power to protect the coil.

On a standard Mopar ignition, the ballast resistor is bypassed while cranking. During cranking, the system voltage droops because the starter draws more current than the battery and wiring can supply. Bypassing the ballast resistor compensates for this. If you remove the ballast resistor by swapping-in a coil with higher internal resistance, obviously you can't bypass that resistance.

Also note that the actual resistance of the ballast resistor varies with temperature, increasing when underhood temperature is hot. The system is designed to increase coil power when the engine (and coil) is cold because the coil is able to handle more power and the added power may be required to ignite the fuel, and decreasing coil power when the engine (and coil) is hot. I've never seen it written anywhere that the internal resistance in a coil varies with temp the way a ballast resistor does.

The above two paragraphs explain why I don't like the idea of putting in a higher resistance coil and removing the ballast resistor: You may actually develop a hard-start condition after doing this.

The Ignitor-1 is much like the Mopar electronic ignition system, a points replacement which works pretty much the same, so the above description would be applicable.

However, from what I've read before, the Ignitor-2 has a current regulator similar to a GM HEI system. HEI systems do not have nor need a ballast resistor by design because they internally limit the current. A more applicable equation would be P=I*I*R or Power (Watts) equals current (Amps) squared multiplied by resistance. The Ignitor-2 should have a built-in upper limit on current output so that max power doesn't exceed some reasonable threshold, which would eliminate the need for the ballast resistor.

Note that the whole idea of swapping in a performance coil or electronic ignition won't provide much benefit for a street car with an ignition system already in good condition. Voltage in the coil secondary winding will only increase until it overcomes the resistance of the air gap at the spark plug. If your old ignition system was able to do that, the replacement components will behave identically in practice. If you really want a hotter spark, increase the spark plug gaps as well.
 
Ultimately burning up a coil is not about voltage but power, specifically how much power the primary windings can handle without overheating. P=V*V/R or Power (Watts) equals voltage squared divided by resistance. If you have a ballast resistor in series, that adds to the total resistance, limiting the power to protect the coil.

Thank you. That needed to be explained in more detail than I have done.

Also note that the actual resistance of the ballast resistor varies with temperature, increasing when underhood temperature is hot. The system is designed to increase coil power when the engine (and coil) is cold because the coil is able to handle more power and the added power may be required to ignite the fuel, and decreasing coil power when the engine (and coil) is hot. I've never seen it written anywhere that the internal resistance in a coil varies with temp the way a ballast resistor does

I never thought about this... It makes perfect sense that it would be designed like that.

The Ignitor-1 is much like the Mopar electronic ignition system, a points replacement which works pretty much the same, so the above description would be applicable.

However, from what I've read before, the Ignitor-2 has a current regulator similar to a GM HEI system. HEI systems do not have nor need a ballast resistor by design because they internally limit the current. A more applicable equation would be P=I*I*R or Power (Watts) equals current (Amps) squared multiplied by resistance. The Ignitor-2 should have a built-in upper limit on current output so that max power doesn't exceed some reasonable threshold, which would eliminate the need for the ballast resistor.

This is what I've understood as the difference in the two systems.

Note that the whole idea of swapping in a performance coil or electronic ignition won't provide much benefit for a street car with an ignition system already in good condition. Voltage in the coil secondary winding will only increase until it overcomes the resistance of the air gap at the spark plug. If your old ignition system was able to do that, the replacement components will behave identically in practice. If you really want a hotter spark, increase the spark plug gaps as well.

Bingo!!
 
Did you figure out why that was happening and how long did they take to go belly up?
I probaby fried the first by leaving key in start. It was installed for a few years but car rarely driven. The second lasted about 2 months. Seemed to be heat related as car would start when cold but start to bog down as engine warmed-up. Eventally it dies with no spark present. Two days later it’ll start but die soon as it warms up.
 
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