SOLVED: Question: Center Link for 1973 Fury

[Gumby]

SOLVED: I'm looking in the 1973 Parts Catalog at the Center Link (Part Type Code: 19-27-50) for power steering cars. It shows that the Plymouth Fury uses the same center link as the other C-Bodies (P/N: 2269393), but it shows that it can also use the P/N: 2835877 center link that the E-body uses. It's only in the 1973 Parts Catalog where I've seen the Fury being allowed to use the 2835877 (E-Body) center link.

1. What changed in 1973 to the Fury to allow it to use the E-body center link?
2. Are these two Center Links interchangeable?

EDIT: We've concluded below that where the 1973 Parts Catalog says the Fury has the option of using the E-Body Center Link (P/N: 2835877), this is a typo. @Big_John posted photos showing that the Fury's Center Link (P/N: 2269393) has the inner and outer mounting holes on different planes/axes as one another. The E-Body Center Link's mounting holes are all on the same plane/axis.

 

[71Polara383]

I know in 73 the size of the tapered shaft on the pitman arm went to a larger size. Otherwise...im not sure what else changed that would allow this.

 

[CBODY67]

Interesting that a 1962-series part number (C-body application) would change (mid-year?) to a 1968-series part number for an E-body with B-body suspension heritage? Not doubting the change, just how it interacts.

In the world of Chrysler parts manuals, only ONE was priinted at the first of the model year. Any number changes were done via the Price Schedule and the number-change section in the back of that publication. If the part number did not appear in the pricing area, then you had to look in the number change area (sometimes multiple times!) to get the current part number of the infamous "NS1" designation for "Part discontinued" code.

Otherwise, a Footnote designation that was explained at the bottom of the page in the parts manual.

Edit: See Post #4 below

CBODY67

 

[CBODY67]

I looked at the 1973 Chrysler Parts Manual file at www.mymopar.com . I found the listing for the side-to-side linkage arm, plus the parts book listings with the noted part numbers. Although I might suspect the E-body item would use a different Pitman arm, which it does, that Pitman arm does not fit the normal C-body cars. THAT could be the difference? Many times, the Pitman arm's differences are not only in their "drop" and contours, but also the length between the mounting hole and the mounting stud for the linkage.

As the 1962-series part number also fits other C-body cars, that is the one I'd choose if I was ordering parts. Imperials are unique.

Sometimes, parts books have typos in them, which can be verified by going to the lower or nixt-higher model year and looking for the same part. Which I did not do in this case. In this case, the other model year to look at would be 1972, as that was the same platform as 1973 cars, related to C-bodies.

Just some thoughts and observations,
CBODY67

 

[Cop car wagon]

I would say it is a typo.
The C body has a larger tapered stud that will not fit in an E center link.

 

[mobileparts]

NOTHING “ C “ Body fits anything else….

“ B “ and “ E” body components are toys compared to “ C “ Body

In the MOPAR world , after 1961 for “ B “ and all “ E “ , and
“ C “ Bodies after 1964 , ALL Center Links are
===== NON - WEAR ===== items….

What wears are the Idler Arm and PITMAN Arm…..

And , again , the “ C “ Body Idler Arm and PITMAN ARM
—- dwarf —- all “ B “ and “ E “ Body Idler Arms and Pitman Arms….

*** I have *** U.S.A. made *** “ C “ body Idler Arms and PITMAN ARMS…. P.M. me , as per forum rules , if interested….
Craig…..

 

[FURYGT]

If you need an NOS center link #2269393, PM me.

 

[polarus]

1972 parts book list a center link for B/E body as part # 2835877, C body # 2269393. As seen above.

 

[Gumby]

1972 parts book list a center link for B/E body as part # 2835877, C body # 2269393. As seen above.

And in 1974, everything changed for the C-Body anyway. So this might support the hypothesis that the 1973 Parts Catalog saying the C-Body and E-Body could share the E-Body Center Link was a typo. But @71Polara383 above said that the Fury increased the size of its Pitman Arm ball joint shaft in 1973. So maybe this had to do with the newly shared Center Link between E-Body and C-Body before the C-Bodies under went an overhaul and a new generation in 1974.

If you need an NOS center link #2269393, PM me.

Can you post some pictures of that Center Link so that we can compare it to my Center Link? Specifically, please take pictures of it with a tape measure so that we can see the full length of the Center Link and also the distance between the inner mounting holes.

Here is the P/N: 2835877 center link that the E-body uses:

 

[Gumby]

Interesting that a 1962-series part number (C-body application) would change (mid-year?) to a 1968-series part number for an E-body with B-body suspension heritage? Not doubting the change, just how it interacts.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean here. The E-Body only existed between 1970-1974. I do see the part number you're mentioning (P/N: 1858015) in the 1962 Parts Catalog for C-Body and the 1968 Parts Catalog for B-Body.

 

[Big_John]

And in 1974, everything changed for the C-Body anyway. So this might support the hypothesis that the 1973 Parts Catalog saying the C-Body and E-Body could share the E-Body Center Link was a typo. But @71Polara383 above said that the Fury increased the size of its Pitman Arm ball joint shaft in 1973. So maybe this had to do with the newly shared Center Link between E-Body and C-Body before the C-Bodies under went an overhaul and a new generation in 1974.


Can you post some pictures of that Center Link so that we can compare it to my Center Link? Specifically, please take pictures of it with a tape measure so that we can see the full length of the Center Link and also the distance between the inner mounting holes.

Here is the P/N: 2835877 center link that the E-body uses:

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No need to measure. Compare the photos and the difference is pretty obvious. Just look at the ends.

So, the idea of using a C-body center link in your E-Body ain't gonna work.

 

[Gumby]

No need to measure. Compare the photos and the difference is pretty obvious. Just look at the ends.

So, the idea of using a C-body center link in your E-Body ain't gonna work.

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OH WOW. Thank you. The inner mounting holes and the outer mounting holes are on the opposite axis/plane. That would never be interchangeable. That 1973 Parts Catalog Center Link section that shows the Fury as being able to use the 2835877 Center Link must be a typo. Someone needs to tell Chrysler about this.

 

[Big_John]

OH WOW. Thank you. The inner mounting holes and the outer mounting holes are on the opposite axis/plane. That would never be interchangeable. That 1973 Parts Catalog Center Link section that shows the Fury as being able to use the 2835877 Center Link must be a typo. Someone needs to tell Chrysler about this.

I was trying to figure what could be different that would make that E-body center link fit the Fury and I can't come up with one.

I've seen "suggestions for revisions" coupons (for want of a better word) in the back pages of some parts manuals. Seems to me I've seen revision sheets for parts manuals too, but I can't come up with an example.

The problem with the parts manuals we download or buy at a swap meet, is those revision sheets might not come with them, or be scanned etc. So, that may be on some revision sheet someplace, somewhere, that corrects this. Some of the download parts manuals are even missing entire sections, like MyMopar's 1968 manual.

I don't see Stellantis caring about a 53 year old parts catalog.

This is from the '72 Parts manual.

 

[CBODY67]

Sorry, I don't know what you mean here. The E-Body only existed between 1970-1974. I do see the part number you're mentioning (P/N: 1858015) in the 1962 Parts Catalog for C-Body and the 1968 Parts Catalog for B-Body.

E-body suspensions evolved from the B-body suspensions (which were around in 1968).