The Chinese Dream (not political - just some perspectives that ought to wake us up)

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I look at a variety of news sources to do my best to get a clear reading on what is going on in the world. This particular article on China places in perspective what we are up against in the future. Anyone that ignores them is foolish. If we can't get some real leadership in this country and come together as a society instead of fighting each other, we will soon find ourselves out in the cold - and owned by someone else...........................

The rising Chinese dream - NationofChange

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I look at a variety of news sources to do my best to get a clear reading on what is going on in the world. This particular article on China places in perspective what we are up against in the future. Anyone that ignores them is foolish. If we can't get some real leadership in this country and come together as a society instead of fighting each other, we will soon find ourselves out in the cold - and owned by someone else...........................

The rising Chinese dream - NationofChange

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Just goes to show what you can do when you subvert human rights, don't have an EPA to worry about and you have a neo-Fascist state government.

It's pretty funny that what you want is what you rail against.

IF this China model is what you want, then Trump is your guy.

Oh...the irony you face.
 
our prime minister is selling Canada to them lock stock and barrel all the while runnin a border scam on the other coast bringin in muslims....you folks in the states should be somewhat concerned at what out pea brain of a PM is doin because its all gona affect the US in the end
 
Don't like it?
Don't buy ANYTHING imported!

Rich business owners sold US (as in U.S.) out years ago for their own profits.
We, the fools, buy imported crap and put ourselves out of work. lol on us....
 
Here we go again.
I've been fighting that fight since the seventies.
The seventies!! And look where we are now.
Everybody that had my back on this dropped out one by one.
Listen to Dave. It's too late. Take the mess we left ourselves and hoard every last penny owed to you and F### You to the rest of the world.
Steal it back if you have to.
 
Just goes to show what you can do when you subvert human rights, don't have an EPA to worry about and you have a neo-Fascist state government.

It's pretty funny that what you want is what you rail against.

IF this China model is what you want, then Trump is your guy.

Oh...the irony you face.

Yet once again, you make zero sense. In the second sentence you state that you know what I want. In the third sentence you say "if" this China model is what you want - so which is it? And what is this China model I apparently want? And what is it that I rail against? I can only guess you can't accept that I don't find Mr. Trump, "your guy", as competent or able to accomplish much of anything as you apparently do. So you denigrate me on this forum for disagreeing or what?

All I did was to post an informative article and you just had to make something more of it for some reason using your really special mind reading capabilities. You are part of the problem our country faces and an example of why we can't get anything done. Honestly, I don't even care if you try to reply to my questions, as I doubt reading it would be worth my time or anyone elses' based on your posts to date.
 
The 'Chinese Dream' poses more dire consequences than that article alludes to, some would simply call it the Yellow Peril.
 
Yet once again, you make zero sense. In the second sentence you state that you know what I want. In the third sentence you say "if" this China model is what you want - so which is it? And what is this China model I apparently want? And what is it that I rail against? I can only guess you can't accept that I don't find Mr. Trump, "your guy", as competent or able to accomplish much of anything as you apparently do. So you denigrate me on this forum for disagreeing or what?

All I did was to post an informative article and you just had to make something more of it for some reason using your really special mind reading capabilities. You are part of the problem our country faces and an example of why we can't get anything done. Honestly, I don't even care if you try to reply to my questions, as I doubt reading it would be worth my time or anyone elses' based on your posts to date.

You don’t understand irony do you?
 
Late Kurt Vonnegut forecasted the advent of the Chinese in his characteristic style some thirty years ago, in one of his novels. Sorry, can’t recall which one. Time takes its toll.

But anyway, as the article writer states: ”While analyzing China’s success, the cultural aspect certainly cannot be ignored. Hard work, discipline, sacrifice, moderation, shared values, focus on education, saving money, and investing for the future are all deeply ingrained in the Asian/Chinese culture.”

Admirable virtues, any of them as such, let alone taken all together. No wonder they succeed.
 
You don’t understand irony do you?

In order to have irony, your stated knowledge of what I believe has to be correct (and comprehensible). You have no clue what I believe and your infatuation with yourself over-rides your judgment. I am done with responding to anything from you. You don't know what denigration means, do you (that is a rhetorical question if you didn't get it)?
 
In order to have irony, your stated knowledge of what I believe has to be correct (and comprehensible). You have no clue what I believe and your infatuation with yourself over-rides your judgment. I am done with responding to anything from you. You don't know what denigration means, do you (that is a rhetorical question if you didn't get it)?


Denigration means that when your view of income inequality is legitimately challenged by a viable question, you refuse to answer, tell the person that questioned you to do their own research to reinforce your point, demean their time, make fun of personal hobbys, dismiss their feelings and question their intellect.

Dismissive. Exhibiting a haughty arrogant affect of intellectual, moral or social superiority. In the vernacular "*******".

Irony: Mirroring the same actions that you criticize in others. Commonly expressed as "the pot calling the kettle black"
 
OK, so that is your real issue.

In that post you are referring to, I found it difficult to believe that you did not understand the use of the term "income inequality" despite it being a widespread concern in the last election. Wikipedia sums it up well and reflects my understanding of the term:

Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia

You suggested I was just parroting an election phrase and didn't really understand what it meant, despite that I have tried repeatedly in the past to address the issue on this site with no real input from anyone then, including you ( I guess only sound bites get real attention though, which hinders discussion). In the last election, this was a major issue and in the last line of the Wikipedia definition, it states:

A September 2014 study by Harvard Business School declared that the growing disparity between the very wealthy and the lower and middle classes is no longer sustainable.[17]

Specifically, you said: I was pointing out that while it sounds really good in a sound bite, that historically, socially, anthropology and common sense tells you "income inequality " has existed since the dawn of man and "income equality" is a ludicrous concept unless you have a totally authoritarian/slave society where all labor is on equal footing and the individual is subjugated. It is an incompatible concept with a free society.

Your view of the term "income inequality" seemed detached from the reality that exists today, and you called it a "ludicrous concept"

So you wanted to know how to address the issue since it "has existed since the dawn of man".

My honest reaction is how do I even communicate with you when you take this idealistic view of reality and feel their is no reasonable or responsible solution in a free society. Can you understand that your comment engenders disbelief? Maybe not, I don't know. But I will spend some time trying to answer your question even though I doubt it will be useful on this site or worth my time. Maybe I am wrong.

Our Democracy is dependent on the respect for the individual, and fairness to all. Is it OK with you that the wealth distribution in the country today is as lopsided as it is? It seems you believe that only survival of the fittest is the only real determinant in this world and nothing can change it. That seems overly narrow in trying to create a society that actually works on this planet.

I don't want to make this a lengthy discussion, and would offer up that the solutions mentioned in the last election involve the banking industry following the laws, our Congress not having lobbyists who pay for their campaigns that get special treatment as payback, and that taxes be proportional to income (without a lot of loopholes to escape paying them).

One of the proposed steps would be to increase the tax rates for the top incomes. You seem to suggest that this would stifle initiative, creativity and economic development in our country. But my past discussion of this included a historical overview of tax rates in the country when it was at its peak in terms of economic development after the last world war. Under President Eisenhower, when he was president from 1953 - 1961, the top tax rate was 91% and economic development was booming, and it continued to be relatively high in the Kennedy/Johnson administration and continued high even through the Nixon administration. It wasn't until the Reagan administration that his party's "trickle down" theory took hold and things began to unravel when he introduced the top tax rate of some 28%:

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Bernie Sanders recommended increasing taxes for the wealthy and corporations again to stem "income inequality" and was labeled as communist or socialist, and too many dismissed his suggestions without a historical basis. Here is at least one such article that puts things into context:

Under Eisenhower, the Top Tax Rate Was 91 Percent. Was He a Socialist?

Now the Republicans and Trump want to introduce more "trickle down" with further largest tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations when our national debt is already staggering and higher education is unaffordable except for the levels above the upper middle class, our infrastructure remains untended, healthcare is a mess, etc. So how do we emulate the Chinese values of thrift, savings, emphasis on education, etc. when middle class lives paycheck to paycheck by and large and the corporations will continue to export jobs overseas and use their windfalls to pay their CEOs even more as well as their shareholders, who already are well off.

Do you really expect our society to regain our position of the world's leader when we are not acting wisely or fairly? The likely outcome of the current path we are on is to be owned fully by the Chinese. You seemed to suggest in the current thread that only by pursuing the Chinese Communist policies and actions would we be able to achieve greatness again - it was really hard to tell what you were saying, hence my questions. We were great in the past generation, so why can't we regain that again by wise democratic actions rather than Chinese communist policies? Is that what you are really suggesting? I couldn't tell and I wonder if anyone else knew what you were saying either except for MarPar I guess.

But in light of the implications of these realities, you asked a question that suggests it is inappropriate to discuss "wealth inequality" or find a solution to the reality that exists today and call steps to improve our situation "a ludicrous concept"?

I find your suggestions very frustrating, hence my comments at the time.

But I do apologize for my other comments, as that is not my usual nature. But I really wonder how we regain our place in the world when the public is uninformed regarding history, pursuing policies that will further erode our current place and we have a president who seems incapable of delivering on what he promised in the election after almost a year in office now?

Honestly, your view of the world seems overly detached and unrealistic to me, and that is what caused me to recoil and act like others on this site, which does no one any good. That I agree with, and will refrain from similar behavior.

Peace
 
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We used to value these! Now too many in our nation look for handouts.

And I thought a lot of people were looking for jobs - isn't that why Trump got elected? Why do you think we have an opiod epidemic?

The guys looking for handouts probably didn't vote.
 
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I worked for a Chinese owned company out of NYC for 3 years. They are not committed to anything other than their own collective. They have incredible weaknesses in everything except their numbers.
I do want to ask though, and I really am being sincere, if the income equality issue needs to be addressed, and I believe it does, how does the government taxing anyone at a higher rate help fix that? Punishing an achiever by taxation can't help the poor. I understand that welfare $ get put back into circulation more quickly than someone of wealth savings accounts will. Doesn't that discourage enterprise? And please don't tell me that if we would n just elect the right people that would fix it, we never have. We all vote our personal circumstance.
I think that we as a country need to focus on what we agree on, not what we disagree on.
 
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