For Sale Twin 1987 Buick Grand National Garage Find - Sequential VIN's
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polara71
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When I see a GN I see a new car, regardless of how many miles it has on it
mdh157
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obv not a real car guy........who the heck buys stuff like that and doesn't drive it?
polara71
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commando1
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What is never talked about is that
the other GM A-bodies with a 350 were comparatively as fast.
the other GM A-bodies with a 350 were comparatively as fast.
rexus31
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Care to elaborate with some supporting specs?
patrick66
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The GNs were ordered by a dealer in NW Oklahoma. He ordered five Grand Nationals at the same time. When the cars came in, he realized these two were sequential, and the other three were later, but not sequential, VINs. So he stuck them away in secure, though dusty, storage. One has 585 miles and the other, just over 800. The cars are staying in Oklahoma together, with a collector in suburban OKC. Yes, the cars still have the dust on them, which to me is ridiculous and adds absolutely NO value. The new owner does plan on cleaning the cars up and showing them on occasion. Now, were this me, I'd keep the low miles on the 585-mile car, and drive the other sparingly. I could not own a car like that and NOT drive it!
LeBaron1973
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I think Mr Avila is being optimistic in stating that things haven't dry rotted.
Surely, the tires, fuel and brake lines, engine gaskets and various rubber components have deteriorated from new and require replacement before they can be safely driven?
All the best to them, ironically, they'd likely lose a concours car show compared to "restored" cars.
Surely, the tires, fuel and brake lines, engine gaskets and various rubber components have deteriorated from new and require replacement before they can be safely driven?
All the best to them, ironically, they'd likely lose a concours car show compared to "restored" cars.
commando1
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I was only speaking from seat of the pants experience. I never compared specs side by time.
I had seat time with them when I was in my GM BOP phase.
traintech55
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Having worked for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Buick at the time these were built, I would take a V8 Cutlass first, then a Grand Prix. I have rebuilt to many 231 V6's to ever want to see another one again.
commando1
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Do you think the Turbo V6 performance was overhyped?
I had one in a LeSabre. Same engine as the GN. My friends with 88's and Bonnevilles would outperform the Turbo V6.
And like traintech said, they were shitty engines. The turbochargers love to eat bearings ( very expensive back then) and their primitive black boxes loved to shut down the car when it got hot.
polara71
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Quick but once you got mid way through winding out 2nd gear in your C body you had them caught .
bluefury361
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[QUOTE="traintech55, I have rebuilt to many 231 V6's to ever want to see another one again.[/QUOTE]
I was a line mechanic at a Buick dealer in 1979. Heavy engine and front end mechanic. There was a string of 231 V6's, (non GN), that came off the truck with broken crankshafts. Flat rate paid 15 hours to repair. I got to where I could do 1 1/2 a day.
I was a line mechanic at a Buick dealer in 1979. Heavy engine and front end mechanic. There was a string of 231 V6's, (non GN), that came off the truck with broken crankshafts. Flat rate paid 15 hours to repair. I got to where I could do 1 1/2 a day.
70bigblockdodge
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Just like all GM stuff can be great, some great ideas but the reliability suffers because the bean counters want to save a buck. You can open a Summit catalog and there are pages and pages of stuff to buy to make your GM anything stronger and not break stuff, with Chrysler most of the stuff is overbuilt, 10-11-12" brakes when GM was using 9", c clip rears with crappy clips.
traintech55
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I was a line mechanic at a Buick dealer in 1979. Heavy engine and front end mechanic. There was a string of 231 V6's, (non GN), that came off the truck with broken crankshafts. Flat rate paid 15 hours to repair. I got to where I could do 1 1/2 a day.[/QUOTE]
I really enjoyed the crappy oil pumps in the aluminum front cover. Every winter we would get a ton of then in blown because of no oil pressure.
rexus31
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If everyone thinks they are shitty cars and poor performers, why are they collectable?
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traintech55
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At least those crappy C clip rear axles kept my children fed.
polara71
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Not everyone, the GM guys love em
65sporty
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I agree with you, I would drive the 585 mile car once a year just to keep things moving. The other one I would drive the crap out of it.
Turbo's + GM image machine worked good... the auto press seemed to like them. The again the 1983 Motor Trend Car of the year might tell you how smart those folks can be...
Built and bullet proofed isn't close to what stock was... If that's all the world had to offer I'd want a little 4 banger like Jer's.
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