Heavy Metal

April 26, 1945 - Saipan
Soldiers surround an F-13A photo reconnaissance aircraft crashed amid rocks and sand. The plane is a modified B-29 Superfortress bomber.
The Boeing B-29 Superfortresses used for photographic reconnaissance duties were fitted with extra fuel tanks and cameras were installed to photograph a strip of ground 3 miles wide. After this conversion the aircraft was designated as an F-13 and first entered service in November 1944. 117 were built.

Boeing RB-29 / F-13 (Superfortress) – Welcome to USAF Combat Camera

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The pic of the Iranian F-4 reminded me of my time in the Air Force. I was a KC-135 tanker crew chief stationed at Grissom AFB. Two of our planes (mine was one) flew to Loring AFB in Maine to top off and then rendezvoused with a bunch of F-4s. Theses F-4s had no markings other than tail numbers. We passed them some gas over the ocean and continued to Torrejon, Spain. Once there we were told the F-4s were sold to Iran and we were topping off again and we were to refuel them to Teheran. Then we were told we’d land outside of Teheran to top off and turn around and leave immediately. This was around two years before the revolution, but the shah was already having problems and at that point Air Force didn’t want us anywhere near the civilian population because they couldn’t guarantee our safety.
 
i think this one is here . Norfolk & Western 611, only one left of 13 made. Represented "state of the art" in steam, retired after only nine years in service. Obsoleted by diesel electrics.

Norfolk and Western 611 - Wikipedia

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source: Norfolk & Western 611

~14 min vid for train-o-philes of the steam leviathans that helped build America -- literally




then, about 5 min vid, half is it getting ready to get underway (i'd stand next to it, rapt, but nervous like a little kid next to T-rex) then about 3 min. in, the fun starts.

it weighs 1/2 million lbs, adhesive weight of 300K lbs, yet it gets wheel slip. one of you train folks gotta 'splain that (if its not just simple newtonian physics)?

 
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A three-quarter portside aerial view of an RA-5C Vigilante aircraft, Reconnaissance Attack Squadron 7 (RVAH-7) known as the

"Peacemakers of the Fleet" and was assigned to the USS RANGER (CV 61) from February 21 to September 22, 1979. This photograph may show the Vigilante's last flight, since all Vigilante aircraft were officially retired in September 1979 and the RVAH-7 was officially decommissioned in October 1979.

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The Douglas A2D Skyshark was an ambitious but ultimately short-lived American carrier-based attack aircraft developed in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Designed as a follow-up to the successful AD Skyraider, the Skyshark was meant to offer greater speed and payload by using turboprop technology rather than a piston engine.

Powered by the massive Allison XT40-A-2 turboprop engine driving contra-rotating propellers, the Skyshark promised jet-like performance while retaining the range and loitering capability of a propeller-driven aircraft. It was heavily armed, capable of carrying a wide variety of bombs, rockets, and torpedoes, making it a formidable strike platform—on paper.

Douglas A2D Skyshark - Wikipedia

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On January 24, 1961, a highly explosive incident occurred over Goldsboro, North Carolina (USA): A B-52 strategic bomber broke apart in flight due to a technical malfunction. Two Mk 39 thermonuclear bombs fell from the aircraft.

Previously classified documents declassified in 2013 reveal how a catastrophe was narrowly avoided: Engineers discovered at the time that only a single safety mechanism prevented one of the bombs from detonating.

This historic photo shows one of these Mk 39 bombs at the site where it was discovered in Goldsboro, largely intact, with the parachute slowing its impact.

This incident is now considered one of the most dangerous nuclear accidents in U.S. history.

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In 1943, Kawanishi Aircraft began a study for an enormous flying boat in response to a proposal from the Imperial Japanese Navy. This ambitious concept, known as the KX-03, never progressed beyond the research phase. The project, headed by Tamenobu Takeuchi with input from Shizuo Kikuhara, envisioned a super-heavy transport capable of carrying 900 fully equipped troops over intercontinental distances.



The aircraft would have measured 162 meters in length with a wingspan of 180 meters and stood 35.4 meters tall. Its wing area covered 1,150 square meters. Powered by twelve Ne201 turboprops—each delivering 7,000 horsepower plus 900 kg of static thrust—alongside six Ne330 turbojets for extra power, the total output approached 132,000 horsepower. With a gross weight of 460 tons, it was projected to fly up to 18,520 kilometers. A crew of 24 would operate the giant craft, which incorporated mixed construction with portions of the wing made from wood and engines mounted above the wing on pylons.

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B-17 "E-Rat-Icator" from the 452nd Bomb Group was the only original aircraft from the group to survive the group's entire tour of duty in Europe- 120 recorded bombing missions and 138 recorded take-offs.

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In 1943, Kawanishi Aircraft began a study for an enormous flying boat in response to a proposal from the Imperial Japanese Navy. This ambitious concept, known as the KX-03, never progressed beyond the research phase. The project, headed by Tamenobu Takeuchi with input from Shizuo Kikuhara, envisioned a super-heavy transport capable of carrying 900 fully equipped troops over intercontinental distances.



The aircraft would have measured 162 meters in length with a wingspan of 180 meters and stood 35.4 meters tall. Its wing area covered 1,150 square meters. Powered by twelve Ne201 turboprops—each delivering 7,000 horsepower plus 900 kg of static thrust—alongside six Ne330 turbojets for extra power, the total output approached 132,000 horsepower. With a gross weight of 460 tons, it was projected to fly up to 18,520 kilometers. A crew of 24 would operate the giant craft, which incorporated mixed construction with portions of the wing made from wood and engines mounted above the wing on pylons.

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like you said .. never one made.

100 feet tall, over 500 feet long, 600 foot wingspan...dayum! thats friggin' huge. like making a WW II destroyer fly.

i "assume" (you know what they say when one does that :poke:) such a machine could be designed, but could it operate, be maintained, or better yet even be built?

aerodynamically, betcha "math' said it should fly, but truly reliably operate like an aircraft needs capabilities (materials, engines, infrastructure, etc.,) we likely dont even have today let alone 80 years ago.

but, it woulda been something to behold.
 
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like you said .. never one made.

100 feet tall, over 500 feet long, 600 foot wingspan...dayum! thats friggin' huge. like making a WW II destroyer fly.

i "assume" (you know what they say when one does that :poke:) such a machine could be designed, but could it operate, be maintained, or better yet even be built?

aerodynamically, betcha "math' said it should fly, but truly reliably operate like an aircraft needs capabilities (materials, engines, infrastructure, etc.,) we likely dont even have today let alone 80 years ago.

but, it woulda been something to behold.
It would have had a lot of issues. Like the Spruce Goose, it was big.
 
It would have had a lot of issues. Like the Spruce Goose, it was big.
"Spruce Goose" was "doomed" to fail from the outset ... so i have read.

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Easy for me to say with 80 years of arm-chair, Friday morning quarterbacking, but still. Below is a pretty good AI scrape of the digital universe. It lines up what i understood, probably because its all the stuff I have read:poke:.

All that going wrong for it, nearly 1/2 billion $ 2024 dollars, five years, to built one, that plane was an epic technical fail ... and it was only 50% the size of this Japanese concept but weighed 75% (300 tons vs 460 tons) as much.

But it did 'fly". A little bit (sixty feet). 3 min. vid if anyone needs a refresher from 1947.





Google AI Overview

The "Spruce Goose," officially known as the H-4 Hercules, was a large flying boat designed and built by Howard Hughes.

Despite its successful, albeit brief, maiden flight, it never went into production or saw further operational use, leading to its reputation as a failure. The reasons for this failure are multifaceted, including the end of World War II, high costs, and the aircraft's inherent limitations.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

1. The End of World War II and Changing Needs:
    • The H-4 was originally designed to transport troops and cargo across the Atlantic during World War II, when German U-boats were sinking Allied shipping.
    • By the time the aircraft was completed, the war had ended, and the need for such a large, long-range seaplane diminished.
    • The emergence of jet aircraft and the proliferation of airports further rendered the H-4 obsolete for commercial or military transport.
2. High Costs and Delays:
    • The H-4 project was incredibly expensive, consuming vast amounts of public money and Hughes's personal fortune.
    • Construction was plagued by delays, partly due to Hughes's perfectionism and the challenges of working with wood during wartime material shortages.
    • The sheer scale of the project and the cost overruns led to intense scrutiny from Congress and a senate hearing investigating the project.
3. Structural Limitations and Design Issues:
    • While the H-4 was constructed primarily from wood (birch, not spruce) due to wartime metal shortages, its massive size and weight made it a challenge to fly.
    • One of Hughes's mechanics noted that the tail may not have been beefed up enough, and the aircraft was underpowered.
    • The aircraft's low altitude flight profile, coupled with its size and weight, would have made it vulnerable to turbulence and storms.
4. Hughes's Obsession and Perfectionism:
    • Hughes's personal involvement and perfectionist tendencies contributed to the project's delays and escalating costs.
    • He was reportedly more interested in proving the technical feasibility of the aircraft than in its practicality or commercial viability.
    • The one successful flight was more of a symbolic demonstration of Hughes's engineering prowess than a genuine operational test.
In essence, the Spruce Goose's failure wasn't due to a single catastrophic event, but rather a combination of factors including changing wartime priorities, exorbitant costs, design limitations, and Hughes's personal approach to the project.
 
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The Northrop XP-79 was an experimental U.S. flying wing fighter designed during World War II. Built from welded magnesium and powered by jet engines, it was intended to ram enemy aircraft using its reinforced airframe. The sole prototype crashed on its first flight in 1945, killing the test pilot, and the project was cancelled.

Northrop XP-79 - Wikipedia

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Idle thought looking at this Norrthop rig.

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I predict it will be in my lifetime (and I am old :)) when people no longer "drive" combat aircraft.

I wish the need for war at all would go away. Afraid that hope is thousands of years away, if ever.:(



Can take a 30G turm, fly for 10 straight days, lose one so what ... just build another one.

Some might argue its already happened. I think not, but it wont be long.

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source: AI FIGHTER JETS: The US air force made history by organizing the first dogfight between a human pilot and an AI-controlled fighter
 
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Idle thought looking at this Norrthop rig.

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I predict it will be in my lifetime (and I am old :)) when people no longer "drive" combat aircraft.

I wish the need for war at all would go away. Afraid that hope is thousands of years away, if ever.:(



Can take a 30G turm, fly for 10 straight days, lose one so what ... just build another one.

Some might argue its already happened. I think not, but it wont be long.

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source: AI FIGHTER JETS: The US air force made history by organizing the first dogfight between a human pilot and an AI-controlled fighter
They have a long, long way to go before robots are combat ready pilots. I suspect we’ll see remote control fighters soon.

Hell, I can’t even get a document to print over WiFi from my phone sometimes, much less pull a 9 G emmelman
 
Hey chief, betcha cup of coffee it'll happen in 25 years (i am planning to live at least that much longer I hope).

We have drones/tecnology today with "aces" at the joystick. No match for an ace in a plane .. not that Tom Cruise movie, physics defying crap, but what real pilots with real skills at the limits of what man/machine CAN DO today.

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Yeah, "dogfighting" is a stretch today .. but when the machine pilot CAN do a 9G Immelmann, tomorrow the "rules of engagement" as we know them with humans will be obsolete I predict. Maneuvering in position for the kill would work differently.

A machine pilot will kill a human in seconds with a another flying machine that can move in ways that would make a human black out.

Were I king of the military-industrial complex, I wouldn't work on another manned fighter system :poke:. Gen 6 would be it.

Gen Seven fighters would do 9+G Immelmanns & other cool stuff (as long as the airframe could take it).




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spurce: Forget F-22, F-35 or NGAD: What a 7th Generation Fighter Could Be Like (In 2070)
 
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The Cessna A-37 Dragonfly was a light attack aircraft developed from the T-37 trainer for use in the Vietnam War. It featured twin jet engines, carried a wide range of weapons, and was used primarily for close air support and counter-insurgency missions. Known for its maneuverability, ruggedness, and low operating cost, it served with the U.S. and several allied nations into the early 2000s.

These look like they’d be absolutely fun to fly.


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