Fender Data Plate Help

[dammstrate]

New to me 65 Newport off of Hemmings (Avatar). Had a 65 Sport Fury for a while, sold it, now have this. Love the Mopar 65 styling. Partial restoration about
20 years ago. 383 2 barrel. Absolutely everything works including the fender blinkers. 86K miles (title history verified). Smooth driver, no rattles or noises. Ran it through a car wash, no leaks anywhere. Posted a question about the paint and steering column already in other forums. Would like some help with the data plate. VIN C153214204. Where can I find a decoder ring?

 

[69CoronetRT]

@Torky is doing some really nice work on the 65s and earlier.

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

Canadian built car - last 6 digits of the VIN - USA built cars start with 1, Canadian built cars start with 2.

Also, red engine.

Nice car!

Sequence numbers on data tag (on inner fender) say the scheduled build date was Feb 18 of 1965 (Month, Day). Actual date it was built might vary.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Canadian built car - last 6 digits of the VIN - USA built cars start with 1, Canadian built cars start with 2.

Also, red engine.

Nice car!

Sequence numbers on data tag (on inner fender) say the scheduled build date was Feb 18 of 1965 (Month, Day). Actual date it was built might vary.

Do you mean built for sale in Canada or built in Canada?

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

Built for sale in Canada. Many were built of course it Windsor, Ontario, but my 66 Chrysler was built at Jefferson, for sale in Regina Saskatchewan.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Built for sale in Canada. Many were built of course it Windsor, Ontario, but my 66 Chrysler was built at Jefferson, for sale in Regina Saskatchewan.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding.....

We can certainly document the different VIN ranges for US and Canada sold cars in 1966 but I think we'll find for '65 Chryslers, there is no split VIN range between US and Canada cars.

We can document US sold '65 Chrysler's with VINs in the 200000 range. The four speed 300 L sold in PA has a 243299 VIN.

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

OK, perhaps I'm in error re 1965. I am pretty sure though, that Canadian cars (built for sale in Canada) got red engines across the board, while USA cars got turquoise big blocks, and red small blocks. I could be wrong...

With the car in question having a red engine, I assumed it was a Canadian built or built for sale in Canada car.

 

[detmatt]

Stunning automobile!

 

[dammstrate]

Canadian built car - last 6 digits of the VIN - USA built cars start with 1, Canadian built cars start with 2.

Also, red engine.

Nice car!

Sequence numbers on data tag (on inner fender) say the scheduled build date was Feb 18 of 1965 (Month, Day). Actual date it was built might vary.

4th digit is 3 = Jefferson Ave, how can this be "Canadian built car"?

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

Built for sale in Canada. My 66 Chrysler Town and Country station wagon was built in Jefferson for sale in Regina Saskatchewan.

 

[Brianz426]

Very Nice!

 

[Torky]

Thanks for posting the pix of the beautiful blue car, its VIN and fender tags, and for stimulating dialog from several of my fellow students of the tags. Attached is a report including analysis of the VIN and Fender Tags. Regarding the "Built in USA for delivery in Canada" discussions: The VIN ending in 214204 fits with others with similar SO dates (not always a valid check), the 99 under A&B indicate the engine is the basic engine (383 2-bbl) for this model with emission controls--a PCV system which I do not see. I don't know what a Canadian emissions control consists of--maybe nothing as seen on the red engine, I believe there should be a code stamped into the fender tag for "Built to Canadian specs" but I have not discovered it for '65 cars yet; and, last, The car would have had a speedometer/odometer calibrated in kilometers. My take: The car was built in Detroit to US spec's. The red engine with no visible emissions controls may be a result of a swapout/replacement or just modifications as per an owner's wishes--as with the dual-tubed master cylinder. I don't know whether the engine blocks for Canadian cars are stamped differently. I would entertain discussion on any, all or part of the report, especially my interpretation of F! as 411 Power Brakes as opposed to 471-Clock. Does the car have a clock? You are encouraged to search for your car's Production Broadcast--which tells more about the car. Sample attached. Often found tucked in behind the springs of the rear seat upright cushion. Keep the treasures you find under the seat and save the pieces that fall off of the PRODUCTION BROADCAST sheet.

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

"Built to Canadian specs but I have not discovered it for '65 cars yet; and, last, The car would have had a speedometer/odometer calibrated in kilometers. "

Ummm, nope. KMs were not used in Canada until the late seventies.

All four of my Canadian C bodies did not say "Built to Canadian specs" on them.

 

[Torky]

New to me 65 Newport off of Hemmings (Avatar). Had a 65 Sport Fury for a while, sold it, now have this. Love the Mopar 65 styling. Partial restoration about
20 years ago. 383 2 barrel. Absolutely everything works including the fender blinkers. 86K miles (title history verified). Smooth driver, no rattles or noises. Ran it through a car wash, no leaks anywhere. Posted a question about the paint and steering column already in other forums. Would like some help with the data plate. VIN C153214204. Where can I find a decoder ring?

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[Torky]

Built for sale in Canada. My 66 Chrysler Town and Country station wagon was built in Jefferson for sale in Regina Saskatchewan.

It would be helpful to several of us if you would send me a picture of your '66 wagon's fender tag for decoding. Wagons have some special options. VIN would help but not critical. Possibly starts with CH45J63. Report is always free.

 

[300rag]

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Ummm, nope. KMs were not used in Canada until the late seventies.

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'77 is the magical year. In '76 I was able to order a metric speedo in my D300 as a no cost option. It came as only metric, no dual markings. I did that because as of the following year I would have had to do conversions. Better to be inconvenienced for a few months than many years.

 

[69CoronetRT]

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Thank you.

 

[Torky]

From Copilot-the Microsoft AI. So, take it with a grain of salt. The naked red engine fits the requirements of an engine for delivery in Canada.

Short Answer:
Between 1964 and 1968, Canada did not mandate its own factory-installed emissions controls on automobiles. Canadian cars followed U.S. standards (especially California’s pioneering rules and later the U.S. federal Clean Air Act of 1965/1967). The first Canadian federal emission regulations came only in 1971, aligned with U.S. standards.



What Controls Were Seen on Canadian Cars
Even without Canadian mandates, Canadian-market cars often carried U.S.-driven technology because:

• PCV valves (1963–1964 onward): Adopted universally by Detroit automakers, so Canadian cars had them. (ERROR)
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• Evaporative controls (late 1960s): Charcoal canisters and sealed fuel systems began appearing in U.S. cars; Canadian cars followed.
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• Air injection pumps (1966–1968): Introduced on some U.S. engines; Canadian cars shared these designs.

Thus, Canadian cars of 1964–1968 had emissions controls only because U.S. engineering required them, not because Canada mandated them.

Key Point

• Canada’s first federal emission regulations: 1971, under Transport Canada, aligned with U.S. EPA standards.
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• Before that, Canadian cars were essentially “U.S.-spec by default” due to the Auto Pact and shared production lines.

In summary: Canadian automobiles built in 1964–1968 had no uniquely mandated factory emissions controls. They carried whatever controls U.S. law required (PCV valves, later evaporative systems, air pumps), because Canadian production was integrated with U.S. standards. Canada itself did not legislate emissions controls until 1971.
Sources:

• Environment Canada – Air pollution: regulations for vehicles and engines
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• Wikipedia – Vehicle emissions control
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• University of Toronto – Brief History of Emissions Regulations
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• Canadian Encyclopedia – Canada–U.S. Auto Pact
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• Wikipedia – Canada–U.S. Automotive Products Agreement

 

[69CoronetRT]

It would be helpful to several of us if you would send me a picture of your '66 wagon's fender tag for decoding. Wagons have some special options. VIN would help but not critical. Possibly starts with CH45J63. Report is always free.

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SO is all one number.

Its administrative purpose and application can vary by year making it hard to use sweeping generalizations prior to 1968. It is unrelated to actual assembly.

In some years, the SO number generally designates a make and body line (A/B/C) pricing hierarchy within the Chrysler Corporation. (Plymouth A body, Dodge A body, Plymouth B body, Dodge B body, etc up to Imperials.)

The only time the first two numbers may deviate from the normal assignment is for administrative purposes designating an out of ordinary consumer purchase such as special order (I.E. paint), fleet or lease sale, intent, like the Max Wedge or S/S cars, export or other administrative functions that will alter the normal processing, shipping or invoicing of a vehicle or, in some circumstances, an assembly plant assignment.

SO numbers are incredibly nuanced as to purpose and require a lot of documentation and study.