Importing from Canada to USA

Carmine

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I've not said much on this because T-minus 24 hours and I'm still not sure it will happen. Long story short is that I've made arrangements to purchase a 1981 Dodge Mirada from a gentleman in Victoria, British Columbia.

The plan is supposed to be that he drives across the border declaring he has sold the car to a US citizen and fly home. He gets a US Customs form 7501. It gets stamped as exempt from safety and emissions because 1) it was compliant when new 2) it's 37 y/o. He thus continues onto Seattle, meeting me at the airport. He leaves his plates and insurance (and I've already insured it myself). I drive it down the coast over the coming week. Car gets left in Phoenix. I apply for MI title when I get home.

After previously investigating this, I called customs again just as a "spot check". Yesterday an agent says I need to be there at the border, which is possible, but an extra pain in the butt. The problem is, like most things governmental, if you talk to 10 people, you get 11 different answers.

And of course this contradicts their own recorded message that says "if you cannot bring the vehicle across yourself, you may authorize someone else to do it. This should be in the form of a letter and must contain the full name of the person driving the vehicle. That person must bring ID...blah blah".

If you go to the CBP.gov website, it's obviously written around the idea of people trying to import cars from (Pardon my expression) Sh*thole countries without emissions or safety glass. Believe it or not, very little about what I'm sure occurs most often, bring a car in from a "normal" country like Canada.

So if anyone has done this recently you insights are appreciated. Most appreciated would be a circumstance where the seller drove the car into the USA. That's the 3 hours of wasted time I'm trying to avoid.

And as promised, here's a pic of the car:

318/4 (factory), HD suspension, 3.23 SG, T-tops, buckets, console.

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It's a different story due to the cars respective ages and that I drove them across myself but I bought both my 69 Fury and my 68 Monaco in B.C. when I lived in Washington state. I do know that driving those across the border was a breeze. I bought them, registered them in B.C., had them "inspected" at the border (a guy with a mirror on a stick made sure there was no "good bud" taped to the frame rails) registered them in WA and that was the end of it.

If I remember correctly, one would run into issues with cars built after the metric conversion but only once it came time to register it .. all other aspects of the car would likely be compliant with U.S. standards. Converting the speedo would leave you with an invalid odometer reading and would likely be reflected as such on a U.S. title.

As far as someone else taking it across, I can't see why the P.O. wouldn't be able to cross with a letter of explanation from you. The only potion of this transaction that would freak me out would be the trip from Seattle to Phoenix with BC plates in someone else's name but thats just me.

As you said, as with everything guber-mental, make sure you have so much paperwork the the diameter of your shorthairs are documented and you should be fine... they'll toss half that paperwork and make an annoyed face but you'll be glad you had it.
 
Nice car Carmine. It was my understanding that you required a Broker to do the import from Canuckistan to the USA. This was a recent development I believe. @Tobias74 or some of our California friends should be able to answer this question better as they move vehicles across the border both ways on a regular basis.
 
From the CBP.gov FAQ, so I would hope this clears a bunch of hurdles:

What are the requirements for importing classic or antique vehicles / cars for personal use?

Generally, classic or antique vehicles are exempt fromEnvironmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Department of Transportation (DOT) pollution and safety requirements.

If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation.


A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation. If you wish to see that form, you may download a copy from our website atwww.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import.
 
The only potion of this transaction that would freak me out would be the trip from Seattle to Phoenix with BC plates in someone else's name but thats just me.

My experience has generally been that their prime concern is insurance, which in this there would be proofs in both names. Since I'd have the title and bill of sale, + all the border paperwork, theft/ownership shouldn't be a concern. The rest of it involves collecting $$ for the state, which they'd never get a taste of anyways, given my MI residency.
 
From the CBP.gov FAQ, so I would hope this clears a bunch of hurdles:

What are the requirements for importing classic or antique vehicles / cars for personal use?

Generally, classic or antique vehicles are exempt fromEnvironmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Department of Transportation (DOT) pollution and safety requirements.

If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation.


A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation. If you wish to see that form, you may download a copy from our website atwww.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import.


That's the easy part. The issue is who is bringing the car across the border, thus being the importer. Anyone other than you will require the use of a broker to file the necessary e-docs. I had a few discussions with CBP last year, at the border crossing that was going to be used.
 
I had to back out on a nice 69 Polara in Canada last year when the export issue became over complicated. I never did find out what the cost was going to be.
 
That's the easy part. The issue is who is bringing the car across the border, thus being the importer. Anyone other than you will require the use of a broker to file the necessary e-docs. I had a few discussions with CBP last year, at the border crossing that was going to be used.

I'm not trying to argue, because I've seen the same thing on the Internet. However, dialing the CBP info # (1 877 227 5511) gives this exact quote (which I recorded and typed verbatim)

If you cannot bring the car in yourself, you can write a letter authorizing someone else on a one-time basis to import the car on your behalf. The person doing this should be named in the letter and they need to have their ID"

My next step will be calling the CBP office where he plans to cross and inquire as to the above.
 
I'm surprised we don't have a Canuck/USA import/export border official as a member here on FCBO!
 
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My next step will be calling the CBP office where he plans to cross and inquire as to the above.

That is the the proper course of action, and the reason I called the specific crossing to see what they want. You can't argue with those guys when you arrive, or you're not going to get it done.
 
I just had a flashback to my U.S. Army days shipping cars to GERMANY and back 25-40 years ago. I remember just filling out a couple of papers to ship my car to Germany and then on the way back to the USA I would ship my car about 3 weeks before I flew from Munich to Baltimore. We paid an import company about $100 and they would pickup your car up from the port, take the car through customs, and meet you at BWI Airport with a sign that said "Bob". I would get off the aircraft, find the guy with the sign, give him a $20, jump in my car and head towards Milwaukee. It couldn't be any easier....
 
I just had a flashback to my U.S. Army days shipping cars to GERMANY and back 25-40 years ago. I remember just filling out a couple of papers to ship my car to Germany and then on the way back to the USA I would ship my car about 3 weeks before I flew from Munich to Baltimore. We paid an import company about $100 and they would pickup your car up from the port, take the car through customs, and meet you at BWI Airport with a sign that said "Bob". I would get off the aircraft, find the guy with the sign, give him a $20, jump in my car and head towards Milwaukee. It couldn't be any easier....

It's easier for service people, as it should be.
 
I'm not trying to argue, because I've seen the same thing on the Internet. However, dialing the CBP info # (1 877 227 5511) gives this exact quote (which I recorded and typed verbatim)

If you cannot bring the car in yourself, you can write a letter authorizing someone else on a one-time basis to import the car on your behalf. The person doing this should be named in the letter and they need to have their ID"

My next step will be calling the CBP office where he plans to cross and inquire as to the above.



EDIT: Never mind... I thought CBP was Canadian Border Patrol.
 
Ok, just had a very good conversation with the Portmaster at the planned crossing. It sounds as if the "letter" I aluded to is the cure. He gave me his name and hinted this was a pretty "sleepy" crossing.

Speaking of crossing, I think I'll do that with my fingers. If it works, maybe more cars can be liberated from the frozen north. :canada:
 
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