commando1
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Im gonna take the position that while it may have been in a 1978 MH, it is not a 1978 setup. Any casting dates on the tranny a/o the block?
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14000 lb GVWR dodge chassis... Georgie Boy shed put on it... All pieces riveted to the frame nothing I saw looked "unoriginal", the rears had no park brake provision.... here are tonight's bad pics...
the first is the really washed out pic of the 1978 date on the emissions label... on the V/C because it was a bare chassis from the factory. the second is the block... and yea... its a440-1 ... isn't that the steel crank everyone wants? Seriously, not a thing appeared out of place for original... class a just got the on dash cable shifter... I 'm thinking I want to get under a PB car to see if my length is the same... and I don't usually want to measure.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
The MH manufacturer did a screwy mix n match I think.
Was the MH a pusher?
Was the MH a pusher?
nope, FC ... it was very similar to this one. 28ft dodge chassis... everything looked like it was there from day 1... I did a lot of work on this mess and even lived in it for 6 months in Naples 4 nights a week. never saw a thing to make me think something wasn't original crap motorhome... caused me to buy a bus it drove so bad. the frame had a small 6ft or less extension welded in... we striped it to the frame to build the bus and the thing look all factory built.
twostick
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It needs a 62 trans, problem solved.
Kevin
Kevin
The emergency brake on that trans should work. It might not be a direct bolt up, but it doesn't seem to me that it can be too different.
I remember having a 67 D100 with a cable shifter, but the trans itself was nothing like the 65 and earlier were the cable hooked directly to the valve body (I am a little fuzzy in remembering the exact configuration).
I remember having a 67 D100 with a cable shifter, but the trans itself was nothing like the 65 and earlier were the cable hooked directly to the valve body (I am a little fuzzy in remembering the exact configuration).
twostick
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It may be shifted with a cable but it isn't a cable shift trans. The last year for those was 65.
The only way to put a 440 in a pre 62 car and keep the pushbuttons and the parking brake is to use a 62 trans.
Kevin
The only way to put a 440 in a pre 62 car and keep the pushbuttons and the parking brake is to use a 62 trans.
Kevin
Now tell 'um why Twostick on nixing the pre '62 trans. with the 440. BTW, If you stick a '65 tail shaft on that '62 trans you get rid of the parking brake AND the trunion joint. Go to a slip spline on the drive shaft and stuff a '66 on up rear drum to drum under it and you have better parking brakes on both drive wheels then the band parking brake on the tail shaft ever waz. Trust me I know these thingz, Jer
Thanks to all for the education... I had figured it out on the internet... eventually. Just hadn't found good pics to post it here. Jer, if I was rebuilding that FL yours is a plan I would consider. The rest was really just a what if scenario... I held onto the driveline because it was good build cores for someday, even if the trans is a bit odd... it may provide what is needed to save something else someday. I am astounded at how little these parts are worth and how much a rust bucket without them seems to be. Mine are not for sale, as I hope to someday have a project they could become useful on. It would have been exciting if I had a solution to the PB replacement though... it would have let me solve a problem for a FL someday.
Also, thanks to Stan... you got me off my *** and looking at the stuff again... now the damn wheels are turning, that always costs me money. Thanks to anyone else I neglected... this was good info for me to ponder.
twostick
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Pre 62 is cast iron which is HEAVY and it requires an engine with an 8 hole extended crank flange. The converter had studs and was held with nuts from the front of the flange. Not possible with a 440.
I agree with using the later axle housing too.
It does away with the keyed axles and it opens up your transmission options to include 63, 64 and 65. Because the 60 has no Park provision in the trans, there is no place on the shifter to attach the Park cable on a later trans so you would have to do something to block the park pawl from engaging by accident or remove it outright.
The 62 trans is the "easiest" bolt in solution but they are VERY scarce.
Imperial Services used to sell a kit to adapt a PB shifter to a 66 and up trans and SMR offers one so you can run a Gearvendors in a pre 66 car. Might be the same piece.
http://smrtrans.tripod.com/smrtransmissionsintro/index.html
I've heard that Imperial is impossible to get on the phone but SMR is open for business.
Kevin
This is good stuff... any time I saw a PB car without a driveline, I figured you would be stuck with a WTF shifter. I knew the right parts were hard to find, but didn't know all of this stuff. I didn't know the differences but remembered the old cast iron Transmissions were different. not really surprised my MH trans doesn't do the job... still could prove useful someday.
I hope this thread helps out someone working with an Forward Look model... they are just cool cars.
BTW... I would rather see a WTF shifter than the car just sit and rot. Carpet replaces, holes weld... can be made right when parts are found.
I hope this thread helps out someone working with an Forward Look model... they are just cool cars.
BTW... I would rather see a WTF shifter than the car just sit and rot. Carpet replaces, holes weld... can be made right when parts are found.
CORRECTO MUNDO KEVIN, SPOT ON, You win the cookie. The only thing I'll add iz that with the '65 tail shaft on the '62 transmission you must mate it to a '65 cross member so theirz a little cut 'n splice involved. Steve at Imperial Motors iz the source for the '65 mount tho'. I know he moved down the road ah little bit from where he was in Frankenmuth, Mi. but az far az I know he'z still doin' business. Good Guy, Great Products, Jer
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