1964 Dual Exhaust Question

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Hello,

I have a 64' New Yorker and want to install a dual exhaust and get rid of the ol Y pipe. The only systems I can find are for 64 Chrysler 300's. Would this work on a New Yorker? The dimensions look the same. My New Yorker has a 383 (not a 413). If not, anyone know where I can find a dual exhaust for my New Yorker?

Thanks.
 
The bodies are the same, but there's almost a 3/4" difference in deck height between the 413 and the 383, so (doing the trig) the head pipe will hang about 1 1/2" lower.

I can't tell you if that will be OK or not, just calling out the difference and that's not saying anything about the position of the outlet on the manifold either. The 300 may have a different manifold.

I suggest you call the supplier.
 
Welcome got any pics

Thanks Ross and Big John, here's a couple of photos: It's in my garage while I swap out the front drums for discs, not to mention Winter is around the corner. Ideally I would like to get headers for it, but I would have to fabricate them myself since they don't make them specifically for this model. Thought about the Hedman Shorty's but not sure they would fit? I can confirm it is a 383 rather than a 413. I took a photo of the manifolds as well. They have the straight flange rather than the offset ones I have seen elsewhere.
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So it's had an engine change.

Kevin

Hey Kev,

Must have at some point. That's what was in it when I bought it. I also looked up the heads numbers and they are from a 440 in like 1967? I was told all these old 383's and 440's had interchangeable parts in regards to the blocks, heads, manifolds, etc., so I guess from that standpoint it makes sense.

Only has around 50,000 miles on it, which I thought was odd given the difference in engines. Maybe an accident or engine swap for some other reason? So far I've replaced the front floor pans, the electrical wiring, carpet, lights and I'm on to the engine. I had the heads tested and cleaned, came back good. Replaced the head gaskets, valley pans, intake manifold (Edelbrock Performer), carb (Demon), air cleaner, fuel lines, added an electrical fuel pump, radiator hoses, cleaned the oil and power steering pump, just to name a few if you were curious.
 
If the heads ID to 67 440 specs they might be 915 closed chamber heads shich are very desirable. What part number # did you come up with on the heads?
 
Take it to an exhaust shop and let them build you a set of duals that fit. No need to buy a pre-built set.
 
Take it to an exhaust shop and let them build you a set of duals that fit. No need to buy a pre-built set.
Hey Snotty,

I thought about that, but I wasn't sure of the difference in cost between buying a pre built set and installing it myself or having an exhaust shop do it and having to pay for the labor? I've done the exhausts on my Wrangler and Saturn, so it's not difficult, but I know the exhaust shop would have more options.

What do you think? Thanks.
 
As I see it, the issue here stems from the fact that you're not sure if the engine is one that was even available, and therefore if the exhaust manifolds drop in the same location. I kinda think you're likely OK with corresponding 300 head pipes... but you gotta be sure or buying a premade kit could be an expensive mistake A bit more research should answere those questions and allow you to make an informed decision.

If you're in a quandry about that, do what Snotty says. Unless you're attempting to recreate a close to stock resto (which you're not), a shop-built system made by a pro should fit perfectly - in my opinion well worth the extra cost and elimination of all fitment headaches.

Here's another option...

In my case (and because my car is all factory) I am getting a pro to build me a stainless system using what's known in the industry as "data bend cards" which tell the fabricator and machine exactly where to bend the pipes. Either the fabricator follows instructions or they have a really expensive state of the art machine which takes a straight pipe and spits out the bent pipe at the the finish. Either way it's a factory fit. In your case he could do that with your mid and tail pipes and hand bend the head pipes.

Data bend card are available right back to cars from the 30s from databases of major exhaust suppliers like Walker and Maremont etc who build original issue exhaust systems for the factory and then supply the aftermarket.
 
As I see it, the issue here stems from the fact that you're not sure if the engine is one that was even available, and therefore if the exhaust manifolds drop in the same location. I kinda think you're likely OK with corresponding 300 head pipes... but you gotta be sure or buying a premade kit could be an expensive mistake A bit more research should answere those questions and allow you to make an informed decision.

If you're in a quandry about that, do what Snotty says. Unless you're attempting to recreate a close to stock resto (which you're not), a shop-built system made by a pro should fit perfectly - in my opinion well worth the extra cost and elimination of all fitment headaches.

Here's another option...

In my case (and because my car is all factory) I am getting a pro to build me a stainless system using what's known in the industry as "data bend cards" which tell the fabricator and machine exactly where to bend the pipes. Either the fabricator follows instructions or they have a really expensive state of the art machine which takes a straight pipe and spits out the bent pipe at the the finish. Either way it's a factory fit. In your case he could do that with your mid and tail pipes and hand bend the head pipes.

Data bend card are available right back to cars from the 30s from databases of major exhaust suppliers like Walker and Maremont etc who build original issue exhaust systems for the factory and then supply the aftermarket.

Thanks Ross, that's excellent input. I've ALWAYS been a subscriber to the "Pay more and get it done right the first time" school of thought. It won't hurt to ask my local exhaust company (Lou's Custom Exhausts up here in New England) either way and get a quote. Ultimately I can throw on the ol Y pipe to get me there and have them take a look at it.
 
Thanks Ross, that's excellent input. I've ALWAYS been a subscriber to the "Pay more and get it done right the first time" school of thought. It won't hurt to ask my local exhaust company (Lou's Custom Exhausts up here in New England) either way and get a quote. Ultimately I can throw on the ol Y pipe to get me there and have them take a look at it.
If you are lucky enough to have a good shop that can bend some pipe, that's the way to go.

There's nothing like that in my area anymore.... The local shops don't even bend stock pipes anymore.
 
Thanks Ross, that's excellent input. I've ALWAYS been a subscriber to the "Pay more and get it done right the first time" school of thought. It won't hurt to ask my local exhaust company (Lou's Custom Exhausts up here in New England) either way and get a quote. Ultimately I can throw on the ol Y pipe to get me there and have them take a look at it.
I had the blessing of having a great shop just two hours from my home. I had a custom system put on my '62 New Yorker, my current Newport, and a '79 Cordoba. The latter was important because it had to pass California Smog as well as work well. They do the work, the systems fit and work great. That's why I suggested taking it to a shop. It's a "one and done" thing.
 
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