1964 push button to 1965 console shifter

[MericaMopar]

Looking at the push button mechanism and comb on that and the comb the 1965 floor shifters, they appear to be either the same or very near the same in terms of spacing of the notches, cable connections, and it looks like you could swap to the floor shifter without much difficulty? Either re-route the shift cable to the console or get a shorter cable? Would the park cable also work? Not sure if the '64 and '65 727's are exactly the same or if there are differences between them.

I'm entertaining the idea of switching from the push button to the console shifter since I am putting bucket seats and a center console in my car instead of the bench. I'd even be ok with using the stock parking lever on the dash as I like using it. For manual shifts, I'd rather have a floor shifter than reaching to the dash.

 

[3C's & a D?]

I wasn't going to reply, because I have no idea. However because no one has, I'll just let you know that this was just discussed on this site, in the last month. I just can't remember where. It would have been in a post regarding a 60?-64 car. And from what I recall, the '65 is different from the '64, and the '65 727 is the only one compatible with the push buttons.

 

[Badvert65]

If I remember correctly, my original 65 floor shifter had a separate lever and cable to engage Park.

 

[Polara_500]

Yeah, the park cable is separate from the shifter cable in 65, no idea on 65 shifter alignment with a 64 trans tho.

 

[MericaMopar]

I went ahead and bought a '65 floor shifter. I'll be doing some experimenting over the coming months.

 

[3C's & a D?]

Not the one I was referring to but-
1960 Fury 440 and 727 trans
Forward Look Forum

 

[SpaceWagon]

Even though the 1964 and 65 make look the same, there are some parts that are NOT.
This is based on my knowledge from working on PB transmission and info acquired over the years from others for their expertise.

Here's info about the 1962-65 cable operated transmissions:
> ALL of the '62-'65 valve bodies are physically interchangeable.
> The differences are the shifter related parts; the roostercomb, cable adapter, manual valve are NOT the SAME, everything else should interchange.
> of course the transmission cases are also different depending on year and whether internal or external park mechanism.

 

[SpaceWagon]

Here's a link that you may find helpful showing the differences and tips how to install / connect the shifter cables on the console shifted models.

Mopar Push-button transmission tech tips

 

[MericaMopar]

Even though the 1964 and 65 make look the same, there are some parts that are NOT.
This is based on my knowledge from working on PB transmission and info acquired over the years from others for their expertise.

Here's info about the 1962-65 cable operated transmissions:
> ALL of the '62-'65 valve bodies are physically interchangeable.
> The differences are the shifter related parts; the roostercomb, cable adapter, manual valve are NOT the SAME, everything else should interchange.
> of course the transmission cases are also different depending on year and whether internal or external park mechanism.

Thanks for the info! I am no stranger to fabrication so I may make a few adjustments to get it to work.

 

[twostick]

I believe the rooster combs are somewhat different between the push button trans and the 65 but my understanding is the transmissions are interchangeable as long as you use the cable adjustment procedure for the shifter you are using. 65 uses a different procedure than the pushbutton years.

John Kunkel on Moparts would be the one to ask or go over there and do a search as I know it has been discussed.

Kevin

 

[twostick]

I believe the rooster combs are somewhat different between the push button trans and the 65 but my understanding is the transmissions are interchangeable as long as you use the cable adjustment procedure for the shifter you are using. 65 uses a different procedure than the pushbutton years.

John Kunkel on Moparts would be the one to ask or go over there and do a search as I know it has been discussed.

Kevin

Just looked it up and it seems you can put a 65 trans in an earlier pushbutton car by using the 65 cable adjustment procedure but the pushbutton trans needs a 65 valve body to work in a 65.

Pushbutton Trans ID question

Kevin

 

[MericaMopar]

Just looked it up and it seems you can put a 65 trans in an earlier pushbutton car by using the 65 cable adjustment procedure but the pushbutton trans needs a 65 valve body to work in a 65.

Pushbutton Trans ID question

Kevin

Reading through that, looks like if I keep the parking lever on the dash, lockout the travel of the floor shifter after neutral (so no park position), and possibly make some adjustments to the comb of the floor shifter it will work.

 

[SpaceWagon]

I believe the rooster combs are somewhat different between the push button trans and the 65 but my understanding is the transmissions are interchangeable as long as you use the cable adjustment procedure for the shifter you are using. 65 uses a different procedure than the pushbutton years.

John Kunkel on Moparts would be the one to ask or go over there and do a search as I know it has been discussed.

Kevin

The roostercombs from a PB and console shifter are NOT the SAME. Refer to the info that I provided in Post#7

 

[Polara_500]

The roostercombs from a PB and console shifter are NOT the SAME. Refer to the info that I provided in Post#7

So, are you telling me that if I use a 65 column shifted 727 to replace the console shifted 727 in my 65 Polara I have to swap the roostercombs between them? (Both 65, one column shifted and one console shifted.)

Sorry to beat this subject, but all I've done to this point with an auto is remove them and replace with an A833.

 

[SpaceWagon]

So, are you telling me that if I use a 65 column shifted 727 to replace the console shifted 727 in my 65 Polara I have to swap the roostercombs between them? (Both 65, one column shifted and one console shifted.)

Sorry to beat this subject, but all I've done to this point with an auto is remove them and replace with an A833.

The OP and Title of this post asked about a "1964 PB trans to 1965 console shifter" transmission. Those two transmissions use Different roostercombs and that is specifically what I was referring to in post #7.

Your question about column and console cable operated shifters from 1965 models, the roostercombs are the SAME.
The problem arises when trying to use / keep a 1964 & earlier PB set-up with a 1965 cable shifted transmission because the PB shifter uses a cable with a different style connector than the column / console cable.

 

[Polara_500]

The OP and Title of this post asked about a "1964 PB trans to 1965 console shifter" transmission. Those two transmissions use Different roostercombs and that is specifically what I was referring to in post #7.

Your question about column and console cable operated shifters from 1965 models, the roostercombs are the SAME.
The problem arises when trying to use / keep a 1964 & earlier PB set-up with a 1965 cable shifted transmission because the PB shifter uses a cable with a different style connector than the column / console cable.

I thought that was what you were saying, I just wanted to make sure I understood as I'm about to tear into my first auto (a 65 of course) and wanted to be clear if there was an issue mixing and matching within that year.

 

[twostick]

A&A sells a conversion cable kit that can connect your 65 console shifter to a 66 and up transmission. They also have a kit to convert your pushbutton shifter to the 66 and up transmission.

Their website sux by the way. Probably best to call them.

Home - A&A Transmissions

Kevin

 

[MericaMopar]

Even though the 1964 and 65 make look the same, there are some parts that are NOT.
This is based on my knowledge from working on PB transmission and info acquired over the years from others for their expertise.

Here's info about the 1962-65 cable operated transmissions:
> ALL of the '62-'65 valve bodies are physically interchangeable.
> The differences are the shifter related parts; the roostercomb, cable adapter, manual valve are NOT the SAME, everything else should interchange.
> of course the transmission cases are also different depending on year and whether internal or external park mechanism.

Here is a question...If I keep the same shifter cable from the push button shifter, reroute it to the floor, and hook it up to the '65 console shifter, would this not work?

I understand I may have to tweak the '65 console shifter and it won't be a bolt in and go scenario. I would believe this would work if I mimic the positions of the push button shifter onto the console shifter. Again, lock out the lever past neutral and continue to use the parking lever on the dash. If I match the movement of the console shifter to the push button shifter it should work....the trans won't know the difference, it just wants a certain amount of cable movement to shift to each gear.

 

[MericaMopar]

I received the console shifter and did some measurements of how much the cable moves when selecting each gear from 1 to reverse. I did this both on the push button shifter in the car and the floor shifter. Each gear selection moves the cable 0.16", on both shifters. Therefore, I think I can easily convert to using the console shifter. All I have to do is reroute the shifter cable to the floor and lock out the park position of the console shifter, using the push button shifter's parking lever.

 

[MericaMopar]

Does anybody have pictures and/or measurements of the console shifter bracket that the shifter would mount to?