commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Sorry about that. I misread your post. ☺
1969 - 1971 C body Stub Frame (subframe)
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dodgechargerfan
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Thanks for this information.
I have the 73 frame now. I will do some more research and direct comparison before I start taking things apart.
It will likely be next spring though before I start. So, lots of time to research.
I have the 73 frame now. I will do some more research and direct comparison before I start taking things apart.
It will likely be next spring though before I start. So, lots of time to research.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Dammit, svent, I found this old article you wrote for Classic Mopar Forum. This sums up everything in one neat, easily understandable format. I'm reprinting it here with apologies if need be.
1969 – 1971 C body Stub Frame (subframe)
By sevnt300
There seems to be alot of mystery and mis information regarding the front forestructure (stub frame) on the 1969-1971 Chrysler C bodies as to which will fit which and what will bolt up to what. It’s pretty simple really, there are the rigidly mounted stub frames that bolt directly to the body and there the “Torsion Quiet” stub frames that have rubber isolators between the body and the stub frame.
1969
In 1969 all Chrysler and Dodge hardtops, sedans, convertibles and wagons used the same stub frame, with only the Plymouth hardtops and sedans using a different stub frame. The Fury frame will bolt up to any of the other cars in the line up and will have most of the same dimensions but is built to accommodate the hardtop and sedan shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1970
In 1970 Chrysler came out with what they called “Torsion Quiet Ride”. This system changed how the stub frame was mounted on the Chrysler and Dodge hardtops and sedans. The Torsion Quiet stub frame was similar but different, the outriggers were redesigned to allow for the rubber bushings to fit in between the frame and body. The stub frame was also lengthened about 16 1/2 inches behind the transmission crossmember where another rubber isolated mounting point was added. These stub frames will not bolt up rigidly to the body. The same rigid mount stub frame from 1969 was retained for the Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth convertibles and wagons as well as a Dodge sedan when ordered as a Police Car. Plymouth hardtops and sedans still used the same stub frame from 1969 to accommodate the Fury’s shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1971
In 1971 all Chrysler full size C bodies used the Torsion Quiet Ride system including station wagons. Convertibles were dropped from the line in 1971.
TO SUM IT UP
All 1969 C Bodies, with the exception of Fury hardtops and coupes are interchangeable.
1969 – 1970 C body Convertibles or Wagons can use the stub frame from any 1969 Chrysler, Dodge or Plymouth convertibles and wagons. 1970 – 1971 Chrysler and Dodge and 1971 Plymouth’s will not bolt rigidly to the frame and will not work on all 1969 models or 1970 convertibles and wagons or Plymouth hardtops and sedans.
1969 – 1970 Fury hardtop and sedans are interchangeable (6 cyl and V-8 applications differ)
Rigid mounted stub frame cars use different wheel houses and radiator core supports than Torsion Quiet cars.
All 69-71 Imperials have a rigid mount stub frame that will bolt up to the other Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth cars but are totally different. In theory you could build yourself an Imperial convertible or station wagon with all the right parts
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1969
In 1969 all Chrysler and Dodge hardtops, sedans, convertibles and wagons used the same stub frame, with only the Plymouth hardtops and sedans using a different stub frame. The Fury frame will bolt up to any of the other cars in the line up and will have most of the same dimensions but is built to accommodate the hardtop and sedan shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1970
In 1970 Chrysler came out with what they called “Torsion Quiet Ride”. This system changed how the stub frame was mounted on the Chrysler and Dodge hardtops and sedans. The Torsion Quiet stub frame was similar but different, the outriggers were redesigned to allow for the rubber bushings to fit in between the frame and body. The stub frame was also lengthened about 16 1/2 inches behind the transmission crossmember where another rubber isolated mounting point was added. These stub frames will not bolt up rigidly to the body. The same rigid mount stub frame from 1969 was retained for the Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth convertibles and wagons as well as a Dodge sedan when ordered as a Police Car. Plymouth hardtops and sedans still used the same stub frame from 1969 to accommodate the Fury’s shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1971
In 1971 all Chrysler full size C bodies used the Torsion Quiet Ride system including station wagons. Convertibles were dropped from the line in 1971.
TO SUM IT UP
All 1969 C Bodies, with the exception of Fury hardtops and coupes are interchangeable.
1969 - 1970 C body Convertibles or Wagons can use the stub frame from any 1969 Chrysler, Dodge or Plymouth convertibles and wagons. 1970 - 1971 Chrysler and Dodge and 1971 Plymouth's will not bolt rigidly to the frame and will not work on all 1969 models or 1970 convertibles and wagons or Plymouth hardtops and sedans.
1969 - 1970 Fury hardtop and sedans are interchangeable (6 cyl and V-8 applications differ)
Rigid mounted stub frame cars use different wheel houses and radiator core supports than Torsion Quiet cars.
All 69-71 Imperials have a rigid mount stub frame that will bolt up to the other Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth cars but are totally different. In theory you could build yourself an Imperial convertible or station wagon with all the right parts
1969 – 1971 C body Stub Frame (subframe)
By sevnt300
There seems to be alot of mystery and mis information regarding the front forestructure (stub frame) on the 1969-1971 Chrysler C bodies as to which will fit which and what will bolt up to what. It’s pretty simple really, there are the rigidly mounted stub frames that bolt directly to the body and there the “Torsion Quiet” stub frames that have rubber isolators between the body and the stub frame.
1969
In 1969 all Chrysler and Dodge hardtops, sedans, convertibles and wagons used the same stub frame, with only the Plymouth hardtops and sedans using a different stub frame. The Fury frame will bolt up to any of the other cars in the line up and will have most of the same dimensions but is built to accommodate the hardtop and sedan shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1970
In 1970 Chrysler came out with what they called “Torsion Quiet Ride”. This system changed how the stub frame was mounted on the Chrysler and Dodge hardtops and sedans. The Torsion Quiet stub frame was similar but different, the outriggers were redesigned to allow for the rubber bushings to fit in between the frame and body. The stub frame was also lengthened about 16 1/2 inches behind the transmission crossmember where another rubber isolated mounting point was added. These stub frames will not bolt up rigidly to the body. The same rigid mount stub frame from 1969 was retained for the Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth convertibles and wagons as well as a Dodge sedan when ordered as a Police Car. Plymouth hardtops and sedans still used the same stub frame from 1969 to accommodate the Fury’s shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1971
In 1971 all Chrysler full size C bodies used the Torsion Quiet Ride system including station wagons. Convertibles were dropped from the line in 1971.
TO SUM IT UP
All 1969 C Bodies, with the exception of Fury hardtops and coupes are interchangeable.
1969 – 1970 C body Convertibles or Wagons can use the stub frame from any 1969 Chrysler, Dodge or Plymouth convertibles and wagons. 1970 – 1971 Chrysler and Dodge and 1971 Plymouth’s will not bolt rigidly to the frame and will not work on all 1969 models or 1970 convertibles and wagons or Plymouth hardtops and sedans.
1969 – 1970 Fury hardtop and sedans are interchangeable (6 cyl and V-8 applications differ)
Rigid mounted stub frame cars use different wheel houses and radiator core supports than Torsion Quiet cars.
All 69-71 Imperials have a rigid mount stub frame that will bolt up to the other Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth cars but are totally different. In theory you could build yourself an Imperial convertible or station wagon with all the right parts
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1969
In 1969 all Chrysler and Dodge hardtops, sedans, convertibles and wagons used the same stub frame, with only the Plymouth hardtops and sedans using a different stub frame. The Fury frame will bolt up to any of the other cars in the line up and will have most of the same dimensions but is built to accommodate the hardtop and sedan shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1970
In 1970 Chrysler came out with what they called “Torsion Quiet Ride”. This system changed how the stub frame was mounted on the Chrysler and Dodge hardtops and sedans. The Torsion Quiet stub frame was similar but different, the outriggers were redesigned to allow for the rubber bushings to fit in between the frame and body. The stub frame was also lengthened about 16 1/2 inches behind the transmission crossmember where another rubber isolated mounting point was added. These stub frames will not bolt up rigidly to the body. The same rigid mount stub frame from 1969 was retained for the Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth convertibles and wagons as well as a Dodge sedan when ordered as a Police Car. Plymouth hardtops and sedans still used the same stub frame from 1969 to accommodate the Fury’s shorter torsion bars (6cyl and V-8 applications differ).
1971
In 1971 all Chrysler full size C bodies used the Torsion Quiet Ride system including station wagons. Convertibles were dropped from the line in 1971.
TO SUM IT UP
All 1969 C Bodies, with the exception of Fury hardtops and coupes are interchangeable.
1969 - 1970 C body Convertibles or Wagons can use the stub frame from any 1969 Chrysler, Dodge or Plymouth convertibles and wagons. 1970 - 1971 Chrysler and Dodge and 1971 Plymouth's will not bolt rigidly to the frame and will not work on all 1969 models or 1970 convertibles and wagons or Plymouth hardtops and sedans.
1969 - 1970 Fury hardtop and sedans are interchangeable (6 cyl and V-8 applications differ)
Rigid mounted stub frame cars use different wheel houses and radiator core supports than Torsion Quiet cars.
All 69-71 Imperials have a rigid mount stub frame that will bolt up to the other Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth cars but are totally different. In theory you could build yourself an Imperial convertible or station wagon with all the right parts
PSP8667
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PSP8667
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Hello. I'm trying to wrap my head around this info. What I need to know is where I can find a set of rubber body mount bushings for my 1972 Plymouth Fury II Police sedan? Can you help??
Thanks
Chris
Thanks
Chris
Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
These are not reproduced. I've seen them made from a variety of materials, including old hockey pucks, but nothing is available off the shelf.
PSP8667
New Member
Would you know of anyone who might have the dimensions for the bushings?
Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
Member CanCritter might be able to help you out with that.
PSP8667
New Member
thanks
Great info on the stub frames. The stub frame on my 69 sport fury convertible will need to be changed out someday due to rust corrosion and a accident I had with it 27 years ago, long story but I drove over something that was harder than steel. I have 4- 69 sport fury 2 door parts cars , 2 of them are 383 cars no motors the other 2 are 318 cars with motors and a 69 New Yorker 2 door 440 motor with disc brakes drive line complete parts car. What is my best choice for stub frame rebuild from my parts cars for my 69 fury convertible. I want to use the disc brakes from the 69 New Yorker in the rebuild. I'm a bit out of my comfort zone on this one. I'm a bit confused as to what would work for a swap into my convertible. Any and All help would be highly appreciated before I start tearing into my parts cars to do the swap
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
Fury to Fury....
The different 69 Plymouth fury model stub frame and what they fit is what caused my confusion. Am I correct in thinking the 69 New Yorker stub would work on my 69 fury convertible?
Thanks that's what I always thought but I let myself get all confused
I will go with one from a 69 fury 383 car and swap the brakes over from the 69 New Yorker while I'm at it. Once again thanks
Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
Technically no, since the Fury has shorter torsion bars, and of course the wheel base is longer on the New Yorker. Any of the '69 Fury stubs would interchange, convertible, hard top or sedan.
Thanks Samplingman . My original plan was always to go with the fury frame but then I started to read this thread and started to doubt myself. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Hi, not sure if I can reply to such an old thread.
If I had to change the stub frame on my Polara vert I know I should use a rigid mount frame, but can I not use a torsion quiet frame and mount it like the rigid frame. Looks like all measurements on the two stub frames are virtually the same other than the extensions for the torsion quiet frame that go beyond the cross member. Looking at the diagrams provided, bolt locations are still there on the torsion quiet frame diagram to attach like a rigid.
Commando1 says "any stub frame can connect to any core" and if so would you have to cut off the extensions from the torsion quiet frame to enable a rigid mount frame?
Thanks PT
If I had to change the stub frame on my Polara vert I know I should use a rigid mount frame, but can I not use a torsion quiet frame and mount it like the rigid frame. Looks like all measurements on the two stub frames are virtually the same other than the extensions for the torsion quiet frame that go beyond the cross member. Looking at the diagrams provided, bolt locations are still there on the torsion quiet frame diagram to attach like a rigid.
Commando1 says "any stub frame can connect to any core" and if so would you have to cut off the extensions from the torsion quiet frame to enable a rigid mount frame?
Thanks PT
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
Hi PT
"TO SUM IT UP
All 1969 C Bodies, with the exception of Fury hardtops and coupes are interchangeable.
1969 – 1970 C body Convertibles or Wagons can use the stub frame from any 1969 Chrysler, Dodge or Plymouth convertibles and wagons. 1970 – 1971 Chrysler and Dodge and 1971 Plymouth’s will not bolt rigidly to the frame and will not work on all 1969 models or 1970 convertibles and wagons or Plymouth hardtops and sedans.
1969 – 1970 Fury hardtop and sedans are interchangeable (6 cyl and V-8 applications differ)
Rigid mounted stub frame cars use different wheel houses and radiator core supports than Torsion Quiet cars."
For instance, I've measured the core support on a 1972 torsion quiet Fury and a 1970 rigid Fury. The heights are different in that the torsion quiet is shorter.
@Samplingman
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I know your ad says 1970-1973 torsion quiet should all work the same. Would PT need spacers to accommodate the shorter core support or would it not work at all? thanks, Ben
In my experience rigid mount wheel houses are different, but will still bolt into a torsion quiet, so I think the core support adaptation is the main issue.
Thanks 1970FURYCONV.
I was interested in Mopar Papa's stub frame out of a 70 Fury but I guess it wont fit my 70 Polara Vert. Mine is definitely a rigid and the one he has is a torsion quiet.
Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
If that’s all you have, spacers would work since the TQ height is shorter and the fenders won‘t line up without them, but I believe the width to be the same. The spacers would need to be solid, of course and not rubber. There are, however, structural differences to the rigid core support that have been pointed out earlier in this thread, namely the gussets. How that would impact a mix and match situation, I don’t know, but there are plenty of ridged core supports and matching stubs out there. For such a major part of the car I would want to do it right and find the correct matching parts, wether it be all TQ or all rigid.
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