1970 Fury - I'm in fastener Hell and I need help!

[Zephyr]

There's an old joke about asking for directions and the guy says "don't start from here."

So I have a 1970 Plymouth Fury convertible. This thing was rough and rusty, pulled from a field, stripped, repaired and painted. Then it came home to me to finish. I've been busy with life and other projects, but I'm starting to work on it again in earnest. My problem is that it came back with a box full of fasteners. (I know, I photograph, bag and label everything I take off a car!) I've cleaned and sorted them, but I'm not sure where they all go. Interior is out, doors and fenders are off. I think I know what I'm using for the doors, but I haven't a clue about the fenders and that's where I initially need your help. Any information, advice and/or photos would be greatly welcomed. There are hoards of very similar fasteners. Thanks in advance.

 

[68PK21 440.6bbl]

OK I'll bite, the little ones go in the little holes, the medium ones go into the medium holes, and the large ones go into... you get the drift.

It would help if you sorted them all out and took good closeup pictures of each group and posted them up and someone could re-post your pictures and label them for what they are for and where they go. Other than that the parts and service are not much help for a novice. You can search online at the repo suppliers for packages of replacement screws & bolts and get a idea of whats what from sites like this one.

C-Body - Bolts, Screws & Fasteners - Page 1 - Partsmix LLC

Other than that, good pictures of (if you know what) old original survivor cars on the net can be a guide.

I use to love going to car shows and pointing out what bolts should not be painted or plated, I remember one kid with his award winning SuperBird that came up to me and a old timer friend that I was with as I was pointing out all that was non-factory in the engine bay. He started running his mouth about all the awards he had ala like at a sales pitch level, thank god his cell phone went off and he walked away to pay more attention to the call than us. I just looked over at my friend and got the look.. It's time to go... NEXT! It was one of those cars that you see on the resto TV shows that's got one of the 50/60 grand 'Laser Straight' paint jobs, you know where they putty & putty, board & board, untold coats of paint and wet sanding then clear coat. I laff when you see them puttying and boarding the underside of the car. <smh> And this show we were at was decades ago before SB's Hemi Cuda's, & Daytona's had past the $100k mark.

Oh and it looks like your bolts have been stripped down and need to be 'Anodized' (or whatever called coating was on them back when it left the factory).

Good Luck.

 

[Fury Pursuit]

If you lay them out and photograph them in groups with close-up and good clear photos, I could likely tell you where they go.

From what photos you have posted I think I'm seeing...

Door hinge mounting bolts.
Door mounting bolts.
Fender to cowl bolts
Fender to radiator core support bolts
Inner fender well bolts
Window regulator bolts
Heater box mounting bolts.....etc...

Keep in mind that Chrysler products were painted as a complete assembled car, sans, drive-train and running gear and glass etc. So your fender, door, and bolts used to "assemble" the car, where the car has paint,... should be painted.




Cheers mate!

 

[MrMoparCHP]

Like Trev said, if the bags are groups of mixed hardware then one might be able to tell what assembly they are for.
I have found that if I had a bag of hardware I could often figure it out from the counts.

Alan

 

[Zephyr]

Thanks for the replies, guys. I'll have a look through the parts websites - good idea. But if you'd like to play 'name that fastener' I'm up for it.

These are 3/8" x 16 UNC thread, 1 1/2" long bolts that I can only imagine are for mounting door hinges.

The rest of these I have no idea about.

(1) An easy one I hope:

Concerned that I've found three of them!

(2) I have four of these studs with nuts and washers. 5/16" x 18 thread, 1 7/16" long, washer is 1 1/4" in diameter.

(3) I have these six 5/16" x 18 thread, 1" long, 1 1/4" washer diameter.

(4) I have seven(!) of these 5/16" x 18 thread, 1" long, 7/8" washer diameter.

(5) I also have four 5/16" x 18 thread, 7/8" long, 7/8" washer diameter.

(6) And only one of these 5/16" x 18 thread, 1" long, 3/4" washer diameter.

(7) Two 5/16" x 18 thread, 7/8" long, 5/8" washer diameter.

Is this the least exciting post ever?

(8) Let's finish with, hopefully, an easy one. These are 1/2" x 13 thread, 2" long, 1 1/4" washer diameter. Two of them. Can't be many places that use anything this big?

It'd be great if you can identify any of these, but I'd be just as happy with some close-up photos of how your fenders attach.

Cheers!

 

[Yeahrightgreer]

Good to hear you’re starting back up on the Fury Zephyr. Last time I remember the car (over a year now I think) you were making some good metal progress. Keep at it

 

[MrMoparCHP]

I'll start off
#1 Steering Column to Dash
#2 Fenders at rear bottom

Alan

 

[Yeahrightgreer]

During disassembly and long term breaks I like to put bolts into a ziplock bag and mark them.

3 & 4 look like hood hinge bolts to me

 

[CBODY67]

Perhaps networkintg with some of the C-body people in "mainland" Europe might help? Germany and Switzerland? Or other places were FCBO members are restoring their cars or have already done that?

On the bolts that originally had a black oxide (rough) coating on them, one of our car club members showed us how using "gun blue" brushed onto the steel bolts gave them a look that was 98% accurate for the orig coating. We were amazed at that and how close it came to the orig finish. Much less expensive than paying to expensive repro "correct" items, especially if the car was not going to be 110% correct for judging purposes.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67

 

[Zephyr]

Thanks for the replies guys!

I've seen one other '70 Fury here in the UK. The guy that owned it has sold it. They just aren't very common. Plus we're pretty much in lock-down at the moment, so I'd be breaking the law if I went to look at one. I've tried Facebook, but with no success. This forum appears to be the best place to get answers from knowledgeable people.

I must say that I'm not aiming for a 100 point concourse restoration, just trying to do a nice job on a car that was in left to rot for years in a field. If I can use the right fastener in the right place I will. After all, I assume some of those big washers were used for a reason.

Good call on the studs for the lower rear of the fender!

 

[Zephyr]

So, the car is coming together. Doors are on! I still have a big box of fasteners. I can see four different styles of bolt/machine screw. Ignoring the thread size and pitch, when are the different tips used? Some look like self-tappers, others have a non-thread tip, others go all the way to the end and some have a thread that tapers to a point. I'd guess that each is designed to screw into something different. Does anybody have a rule of thumb for where any of these styles is particularly appropriate?

 

[HWYCRZR]

I am basing this off m ‘68 Polara, so may be a little different. The left one is typically used to mount something directly to the stub frame ( like splash shields or fuel line P clip in engine compartment). Second is what I have holding the inner fenders together and some of the fender to cowl. Third depending on head markings could be for mounting brackets like front license plate, or small rear bumper brackets???. The big one to the right is very familiar but I am not sure right now).
I want to say that is another fasteners to secure something to the frame, battery tray?? but the horn mount is similar. (I have to check, I actually drew that profile on my storage bag so I could put it back in the bag after cleaning ). Do you also have pictures of the head markings for each?

 

[HWYCRZR]

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Bolt 2

Also here. And a lot of cowl fasteners, even radiator to cowl.

not sure on bolt 3.

 

[CBODY67]

The reduced-size ends are used to make the bolts "drop into place" and be self-centering as they are tightened. An assembly line aid to speed and accuracy of installation.

CBODY67

 

[furious70]

The small one in that photo looks like valve cover or oil pan (they are one size apart)

I agree #3 looks like hood hinge

 

[Zephyr]

Thank you for the replies and the photos, this is really helping. I think you're right about the battery tray bolts, HWYCRZR, and interesting to see the ends of the end of those 1/4" bolts sticking up through the fender. I need more photos like this.

So here's one of each of the 1/4" selection:

From the left:
UNC, 3/4" long, 3/4" washer
UNC, 3/4" long, 9/16" flange
UNC, 7/8" long, 5/8" washer
UNC, 7/8" long, 5/8" washer (wheelhouse to frame?)
UNC, 7/8" long, 3/4" washer (fender to wheelhouse?)
UNC, 1 1/4" long, 1" washer
UNF, 11/16" long, 5/8" washer
UNF, 15/16" long, 5/8" washer

Intrigued by all of the different symbols in the heads of the bolts. I'd assumed these were different manufacturers, but that seems a little unlikely. I'm just trying to figure out the fasteners on the fenders at the moment. I think I've got two lots figured out from the 1/4 UNC group. Anyone got any thoughts or photos?

Cheers, Gary.

 

[HWYCRZR]

I can get some pictures? But I think there will be some differences from’68-70

here are some examples of some of my 1/4”
4th one in 5/8 washer to frame and starter splash shield to frame.

3/4” washer likely around 3/4 length. inner fender well, wheel house. So first ones.

The the longer length (7/8” with 3/4 washer??
Could this be the 1” washer on the grill support?

I am not sure if I have any more suggestions.

 

[Zephyr]

HWYCRZR, thank you so much! I agree a '70 would be better, but it all helps.

 

[Fury Pursuit]

You might want to consider buying one of Dave Weiss’ books.

EVERYTHING you ever wanted to know about your car, fasteners, and how it was built in in his books.

And yes, all the different symbols on your bolt heads are from different manufactures.

Rember, these vehicles were made when the USA actually made components for industrial manufacturing. There were hundreds if not thousands of fasteners manufactures in the USA at that time.

 

[Zephyr]

I will look up the Dave Weiss books. I'm guessing they're out of print?

I see three place for studs in relation to the fenders. Two in the cowl area, circled together and another two at the bottom, rearward of the wheel arch:

These are the cowl ones:

And these are the other (missing a u-nut):

The horizontal cowl/firewall studs are in place in the car. I have two styles of stud:

One is knurled and the other has a non-threaded bit. I assume the knurled one is the vertical stud in the cowl and the other is the lower stud. Somehow, have two knurled but only three of the others!

This is where I could use some help!

The vertical cowl stud and the two lower studs have two shims each show and the horizontal cowl stud has one shim shown in the manual. They all look like circular washers. These kind of look suspiciously like they might be shims:

Both have an internal diameter of 3/8", left one is 1/8" thick and 1 1/8" outer diameter, the right one is 3/8" thick and 1 5/16" outer diameter. I have two of the left and three of the right.

Would I be right to guess that these are used as needed to get things aligned? Seems like a lot of work to change them if the stud doesn't come out. Or are they used in different places? Seems like I need way more than this. If anyone could send me some photos of how they are on their cars, that would be great!

Cheers, Gary