For Sale 70 Monaco Relisted today
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I know we've discussed before just surprised someone hasn't purchased it.
It is a Monaco in appearance to a U.S. person, with a cheap Polara interior and it is a 4 door sedan, which is kind of the last choice unless one wants to build a police cruiser. Even though it appears to be a very nice car with relativey low miles, but no a/c also. And then Canada makes it as hard as possible for anyone in the U.S. to do business with a Canadian seller, kind of like the border between Eastern & Western Europe in the last century. Canada seem to lack any clear leadership with business acumen so their currency lags too.
300rag
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On that count, you may want to look in the mirror. I can tell you from personal experience that exporting a motor vehicle from the U.S. is a real pain in the ***. I have to hire a U.S. customs broker and deal with CBP to allow me to remove the car from the States. It is the U.S. government that makes it hard to do business with an American seller. Going the other way, you just pay the seller, drive or trailer the car over the border, and then deal with CBP, no hassles on this side of the border.
i agree. and will add IF you are an American buyer of a 1981(?) or later Canadian seller's car, the Americans want PROOF that the Canadian car was serviced under emissions-related recalls before we can get across border with them.
This was my experience in 2005 trying to import a 1983 Dodge. Took five months, while the car spent the winter (at my expense) in the Canadian transporter's yard, to get the Canadian car's recall history for US Customs to allow my Canadian transporter (Mackie) to cross border with the car.
IF this procedure is different now great. It was a gigantic PITA back then .. so much so I never did it again (passing up some post 1981 Canadian cars I really wanted)
anyway, regarding the Monaco, I agree with Caper. I seem to recall us going around and this one a while back here. If this is that car, I am surprised it hasn't sold yet given the asking price/quality ratio seems reasonable.
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oliver
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4 Door Sedans still deserve a chance
Maybe the Donald can fix this mess along with building a wall with Mexico. All I know is that when I have tried to buy a Canadian car in the past, I just gave up due to the paperwork the Canadian government wanted, albeit, maybe the border people were just getting the information required by the U.S. then. It was just a mess, and not worth it.
Rwc
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I have been a part of importing one vehicle (a pick up) from Canada. It wasn't that cumbersome. If you want to do it first thing is to contact a broker. It cost us about $600 and was very worth it.
This was coming g into maine, and I imagine every state is different.
The broker needed all the paperwork, such as title and current or last registration. They needed to know where it was going to cross the boarder. You set the crossing in advance and get a two hour window. You report to the boarder patrol, and then take it to the customs building at the boarder.
Once in the country we had to take it to a state licensed vehicle inspection facility with the appropriate form to be certified as maching the VIN on teh dash and another place stamped, if possible. In our case we had to get them to confirm it achieved the emission standards for the date of manufacture. This car won't matter, but if it has a dash that is in Km you have to change it to miles only when you sell it.
We spent minimal time because we hired the broker, who is used to the process. If you see one you want invest in a phone call to a broker. It will save you a lot of gray hair.
This was coming g into maine, and I imagine every state is different.
The broker needed all the paperwork, such as title and current or last registration. They needed to know where it was going to cross the boarder. You set the crossing in advance and get a two hour window. You report to the boarder patrol, and then take it to the customs building at the boarder.
Once in the country we had to take it to a state licensed vehicle inspection facility with the appropriate form to be certified as maching the VIN on teh dash and another place stamped, if possible. In our case we had to get them to confirm it achieved the emission standards for the date of manufacture. This car won't matter, but if it has a dash that is in Km you have to change it to miles only when you sell it.
We spent minimal time because we hired the broker, who is used to the process. If you see one you want invest in a phone call to a broker. It will save you a lot of gray hair.
I did hire a broker/transporter based in Canada. It was Mackie out of Oshawa Ontario, who i had used three times previously and very successfully for two late 1960's GM cars, pre-emissions standards obviously, and a '72 B Body Mopar, from Canada. Smooth as silk, professional, ... "EZ PZ" no issues.
Mackie told me in advance what I needed for the 1983 car importation ... all the documents, etc. but perhaps I was still mesmorized by the ease of the other moves that I didn't read the "fine print" about how to get this emissions/recall thing.
I had the car moved from Manitoba, to Toronto, and it was crossing at Queenstown/Lewiston into US (NY York State). My memory is fading a bit on the sequence of events, but EVEN with the seller helping me, getting this recall compliance statement FROM CHRYSLER CORPORATION was a tough nut to crack.
And the US Federales were NOT budging on needing to have "it" (some darn compiance form i don't recall the name of ... ). I had some other thing from a servicing dealer in Manitoba, but it wasn't good enough.
Anyone interested might wanna take a peek here:
Importing a Motor Vehicle | U.S. Customs and Border Protection
All that to say, i may have contributed to my own misery by NOT being prepared properly BEFORE i bought this emission-controlled car, despite using a reputable broker.
And yes, without the broker, I would NOT have even known what to do. darn car might still be sitting there 11 years later ... so your suggestion to use one, OR at least consult one if you wanna take it on yourself, is spot on.
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show me a dark blue 70 SFGT for sale in Canada and I will test how quickly it will leave the country. I will get it out of there. Promised.
Carsten
Carsten
show me a dark blue 70 SFGT for sale in Canada and I will test how quickly it will leave the country. I will get it out of there. Promised.
Carsten
you'll set a world record in speed of export, including an Atlantic crossing, i'll bet for that car huh?
I did hire a broker/transporter based in Canada. It was Mackie out of Oshawa Ontario, who i had used three times previously and very successfully for two late 1960's GM cars, pre-emissions standards obviously, and a '72 B Body Mopar, from Canada. Smooth as silk, professional, ... "EZ PZ" no issues.
Mackie told me in advance what I needed for the 1983 car importation ... all the documents, etc. but perhaps I was still mesmorized by the ease of the other moves that I didn't read the "fine print" about how to get this emissions/recall thing.
I had the car moved from Manitoba, to Toronto, and it was crossing at Queenstown/Lewiston into US (NY York State). My memory is fading a bit on the sequence of events, but EVEN with the seller helping me, getting this recall compliance statement FROM CHRYSLER CORPORATION was a tough nut to crack.
And the US Federales were NOT budging on needing to have "it" (some darn compiance form i don't recall the name of ... ). I had some other thing from a servicing dealer in Manitoba, but it wasn't good enough.
Anyone interested might wanna take a peek here:
Importing a Motor Vehicle | U.S. Customs and Border Protection
All that to say, i may have contributed to my own misery by NOT being prepared properly BEFORE i bought this emission-controlled car, despite using a reputable broker.
And yes, without the broker, I would NOT have even known what to do. darn car might still be sitting there 11 years later ... so your suggestion to use one, OR at least consult one if you wanna take it on yourself, is spot on.
So 70's cars are ok? They didn't give a date last time I looked. US emissions started more or less in 68 federal and 66 California.... I expected more trouble...
Dunno about the 70's cars beyond the 72 B body. I imported a 68, a 69, and a 72 and did NOT have to prove those cars were fixed per any recall (safety and emissions for sure) notices issued on them. It just didn't come up at all.
the '83 car was a nightmare as I noted. I recall 80 or 81 being a pivotal model year (but it could actually be earlier), but i may be confusing that issue with first year of the 17 digit VIN's in 81
the moral of the story may be to be sure to CONFIRM what/for what things we (going either way) will need for our respective governments to import/export between US/Canada to allow those cars into our countries --BEFORE we buy the car and then get committed to completing the ordeal IF, as in my case, we do not prepare properly upfront.
Experienced brokers/savvy buyers will know exactly "whats" needed. "How" to get what's needed may be a harder proposition so its best to have that figured out too.
show me a dark blue 70 SFGT for sale in Canada and I will test how quickly it will leave the country. I will get it out of there. Promised.
Carsten
A container leaves Montreal harbour every day with "export cars". Chrysler will be very difficult to deal with as they refuse to supply compliance letters for Canadian vehicles exported to the USA. The intention is to protect the US Dealers from cheaper Canadian cars flooding the market. For example: You are a Budget Rent A Car Franchise in Idaho. You can buy 20 American Grand Caravans for your rental fleet or 30 Canadian vans which will give you 10 more revenue streams on the road for the same investment. What pisses the Dealers off is when the Honda Dealer across the road has brand new Canadian Vans on his lot as "Used" for less than the Dodge dealer has "New" vans going for. Now this is what happens for current model stuff. What FCA needs to be is flexible on the over 17 years old stuff like we want and supply compliance letters. NAFTA was supposed to ease the transfer of goods across our borders but that hasn't happened. The EPA does not recognize Canadian Emission standards as being equal to or greater than US standards therefore the compliance letter. The sticker in the door that reads "Meets California Emissions" should be enough but isn't. I could go on but....get a broker who will do the RI for you and it should all be simple.
commando1
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It's easier for a Syrian terrorist to enter this country than a Canadian car.
Beep Beep Dave
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I think you mixing up which country you were dealing with. The Canadian Government doesn't care if you export a car from Canada to the USA...you were dealing with your own government and the US Customs.
The US Customs make Canadians jump threw a bunch of hoops to export a car out of the USA. If anything its your side that makes it difficult where it doesn't need to be.
Dave
Beep Beep Dave
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Quite right - export your brains out importing is the problem. It's actually against our Dealer Agreement with FCA to knowingly sell a new Canadian vehicle to a US citizen exporting it back to the US. The govmint couldn't care less but FCA sure does. We sell lots of used vehicles to US buyers all the time it's their problem getting them across. One of our regulars has 11 million tied up at the border right now waiting on title and recall checks...sure glad he can afford it. Every penny increase in the CND dollar costs him big.
tbm3fan
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As usual not much love out their for 4 doors and even less for a sedan vs. hardtop. Maybe it would get more love at a lower price? I recall a known member here making a comment praising my desire to restore a 4 door hardtop.
As for me I lose my love for it, not because of any basic problems, except for that Mopar green paint job.
Ok... forget this importing from Canada headache... Caper, I want to know more about this car:
Nice Formal... cant see the grille enough to guess the year though...
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