Carb OPINIONS Desired...

I do not have experience with the Holley 1900 carburetors, but a friend of mine used a street Demon on his Challenger 383 engine and is pleased with it. I was thinking if I went with Holley, in my case, I would like to replicate most of the appearance of the original Holley 4160s on the standard 440s in 1970 on my Chrysler 300s and also have the external bowl vent that they had from the factory to keep fuel temperatures at a minimum compared to internal bowl vents only that all carburetors have. Those external bowl vents in 1970 were plumbed to the breather cap so that fuel vapors would go to the crankcase, but I would not do that for various reasons such as oil dilution, etc. So the modern Holley replacement that I was considering was this one, or one close to it, although it is pricey:

Holley 0-80451 600 CFM Stock Replacement Carburetor - Holley Performance Products

I might add that carbon canisters are for the purpose of capturing evaporative fuel vapors from the fuel tank and from the carburetor bowl to prevent HC emission from escaping into the atmosphere and creating smog (HC + NOx emissions react in sunlight to create smog). Carburetors with external bowl vents also have a purge port to purge or clean the vapors out of the carbon canister to keep them available to store more vapor later (the primary purpose of carbon canisters is not really to keep atmospheric pressue in the tank, although it does serve that function too. It is to store excess fuel vapors). I like the external bowl vents for keeping fuel vapors from going into the engine on hot days and creating hot start problems and for keeping the fuel cooler than it would be without one, thereby minimizing the potential for vapor lock. I have never experiencef fuel spill over on any cars that I have ever had with them.

I would personally keep EGR on your engine, but use one of the smaller diameter valve openings. In this way, using today's crappy low octane gasoline, you can advance timing a little more than without EGR and get better overall fuel economy that without EGR. Most modern engines have EGR for maximizing fuel economy and keeping higher compression ratios and even the turbo engines use it (but cooled with a cooler) to maximize cylinder pressures for maximum fuel economy. One way to get to the 54.5 MPG (test cycle number - actual real world fuel economy would be about 39 mpg) is to do what Ford does with its Ecoboost engines that use cooled EGR and force it into the engines to get the maximum cylinder pressures for best fuel economy. If the EPA would push harder for higher octane base fuels in the U.S. like in Europe, for example, it would be a lot easier for manufacturers to meet the 2025 fleet standards. I do not recall if your EGR system on your 1976 440 has a vacuum amplifier to run the EGR, but I would not use that device since they are not durable and are problemattic. I would just run the direct ported EGR valve by teeing into the distributor vacuum port on the carburetor. With a smaller valve, you don't need a vacuum delay device and using one would not help off the line low speed spark knock that you would need to address if advancing your timing. I would never do without vacuum advance on any street engine by the way, as doing so just hurts fuel economy and increases exhaust temperatures and leads to early valve problems (I only mention this because I have seen a lot of guys get a performance Mallory or other distributor and run their street engines with no vacuum advance - it is one of the worst things one could do). But I know you are knowledgeable enough to not do this in any case.

A smaller valve EGR? Where would one find that? I have the stock EGR on my engine which I had to disconnect because of the inability of any correct Holley 2bbl running properly. Switching to an Autolite 2150 completely eliminated all driveability problems. Only no EGR because no port on the 2150. Have a vacuum amplifier which of course has no signal. Direct connect EGR obviously kills the engine.
 
A smaller valve EGR? Where would one find that? I have the stock EGR on my engine which I had to disconnect because of the inability of any correct Holley 2bbl running properly. Switching to an Autolite 2150 completely eliminated all driveability problems. Only no EGR because no port on the 2150. Have a vacuum amplifier which of course has no signal. Direct connect EGR obviously kills the engine.

Most of the federal (non-California) engines equipped with EGR valves (not floor jets) had pretty small valve diameters in about the 1973 model year, and perhaps into the 1974 model year. I would check the parts manuals for your model and see if you can find any of the federal model year EGR valve part numbers as NOS on partsvoice, and go from there. When I worked for Chrysler up to 1980, they closed the California emission test facility due to the bankruptcy of the company. In that process, the manager dug a big pit and dumped all the emission control stock in it rather than ship it all back to Michigan. I retreived some parts before they covered it all up. Crazy, but true. So I got a few small EGR valves for B engines, but only have one left that I am planning on using for my 1973 Imperial. Even if you do not have a venturi port that is used in conjunction with an amplifier, you could still tee into a distributor vacuum advance port on your carburetor that virtually all have and operate your EGR valve directly that way, avoiding an amplifier (which were of poor quality and never lasted long). With an EGR valve with a small port, there should be no driveability problems since spark vacuum ports do not have vacuum at idle so that the EGR valve will only start to open off idle. Rarely will you notice even a stumble off idle with a small port EGR valve system and those valves do help enable you to move the timing up a little (advanced) and not encounter spark knock due to the cylinder cooling effects of recirculated exhaust gas. This helps fuel economy.
 
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Well I'm about ready to throw in the towel on my old Holley I cannot get rid of the lean spot on the primaries. Guy that I work with is going to let me use one of his 1406 that is modified and is one of a pair that was on his 62plymouth with a 500" wedge that was mph low.
 
You will post some pics of the rebuild right?:poke:
I will now... those who don't care, don't look...
Most of the federal (non-California) engines equipped with EGR valves (not floor jets) had pretty small valve diameters in about the 1973 model year, and perhaps into the 1974 model year. I would check the parts manuals for your model and see if you can find any of the federal model year EGR valve part numbers as NOS on partsvoice, and go from there. When I worked for Chrysler up to 1980, they closed the California emission test facility due to the bankruptcy of the company. In that process, the manager dug a big pit and dumped all the emission control stock in it rather than ship it all back to Michigan. I retreived some parts before they coved it all up. Crazy, but true. So I got a few small EGR valves for B engines, but only have one left that I am planning on using for my 1973 Imperial. Even if you do not have a venturi port that is used in conjunction with an amplifier, you could still tee into a distributor vacuum advance port on your carburetor that virtually all have and operate your EGR valve directly that way, avoiding an amplifier (which were of poor quality and never lasted long). With an EGR valve with a small port, there should be no driveability problems since spark vacuum ports do not have vacuum at idle so that the EGR valve will only start to open off idle. Rarely will you notice even a stumble off idle with a small port EGR valve system and those valves do help enable you to move the timing up a little (advanced) and not encounter spark knock due to the cylinder cooling effects of recirculated exhaust gas.
Thanks for the updated info, here I was trying to get fancy on the part numbers...
Well I'm about ready to throw in the towel on my old Holley I cannot get rid of the lean spot on the primaries. Guy that I work with is going to let me use one of his 1406 that is modified and is one of a pair that was on his 62plymouth with a 500" wedge that was mph low.
Let us know your thoughts about it...
 
Well I'm about ready to throw in the towel on my old Holley I cannot get rid of the lean spot on the primaries. Guy that I work with is going to let me use one of his 1406 that is modified and is one of a pair that was on his 62plymouth with a 500" wedge that was mph low.

I have said many times that rebuilding old Holleys is pretty much a waste of time unless you can figure out some way to fix their warped castings - I never have. But they ran really well when new, but heat cycles will eventually do all of them in.....................
 
I have said many times that rebuilding old Holleys is pretty much a waste of time unless you can figure out some way to fix their warped castings - I never have. But they ran really well when new, but heat cycles will eventually do all of them in.....................
It's not a original, I have owned it from day one not over tightening anything. Guess you are right about the heat cycles
 
Most of the federal (non-California) engines equipped with EGR valves (not floor jets) had pretty small valve diameters in about the 1973 model year, and perhaps into the 1974 model year. I would check the parts manuals for your model and see if you can find any of the federal model year EGR valve part numbers as NOS on partsvoice, and go from there. When I worked for Chrysler up to 1980, they closed the California emission test facility due to the bankruptcy of the company. In that process, the manager dug a big pit and dumped all the emission control stock in it rather than ship it all back to Michigan. I retreived some parts before they covered it all up. Crazy, but true. So I got a few small EGR valves for B engines, but only have one left that I am planning on using for my 1973 Imperial. Even if you do not have a venturi port that is used in conjunction with an amplifier, you could still tee into a distributor vacuum advance port on your carburetor that virtually all have and operate your EGR valve directly that way, avoiding an amplifier (which were of poor quality and never lasted long). With an EGR valve with a small port, there should be no driveability problems since spark vacuum ports do not have vacuum at idle so that the EGR valve will only start to open off idle. Rarely will you notice even a stumble off idle with a small port EGR valve system and those valves do help enable you to move the timing up a little (advanced) and not encounter spark knock due to the cylinder cooling effects of recirculated exhaust gas. This helps fuel economy.

Hmm, well it is a California 360 engine. I'll give tying into the distributor advance line with my stock EGR and see what happens. Unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying the Federal valves used smaller ports to inject exhaust gases into the intake than the California valves. Am I correct in that?

Did take a quick look and saw for 1974 Standard Motor Products does list a California and a Federal EGR valve. For 1973 they only list one.
 
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Most of the federal (non-California) engines equipped with EGR valves (not floor jets) had pretty small valve diameters in about the 1973 model year, and perhaps into the 1974 model year. I would check the parts manuals for your model and see if you can find any of the federal model year EGR valve part numbers as NOS on partsvoice, and go from there. When I worked for Chrysler up to 1980, they closed the California emission test facility due to the bankruptcy of the company. In that process, the manager dug a big pit and dumped all the emission control stock in it rather than ship it all back to Michigan. I retreived some parts before they covered it all up. Crazy, but true. So I got a few small EGR valves for B engines, but only have one left that I am planning on using for my 1973 Imperial. Even if you do not have a venturi port that is used in conjunction with an amplifier, you could still tee into a distributor vacuum advance port on your carburetor that virtually all have and operate your EGR valve directly that way, avoiding an amplifier (which were of poor quality and never lasted long). With an EGR valve with a small port, there should be no driveability problems since spark vacuum ports do not have vacuum at idle so that the EGR valve will only start to open off idle. Rarely will you notice even a stumble off idle with a small port EGR valve system and those valves do help enable you to move the timing up a little (advanced) and not encounter spark knock due to the cylinder cooling effects of recirculated exhaust gas. This helps fuel economy.
You just can not get great info like this anywhere else. Thank you Steve.
 
Hmm, well it is a California 360 engine. I'll give tying into the distributor advance line with my stock EGR and see what happens. Unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying the Federal valves used smaller ports to inject exhaust gases into the intake than the California valves. Am I correct in that?

Did take a quick look and saw for 1974 Standard Motor Products does list a California and a Federal EGR valve. For 1973 they only list one.

It may be that in 1973 the federal 360 only had floor jets and the California package had an EGR valve for greater NOx emission reductions than the floor jet system. So if there was a California and a federal EGR valve for the 360s in 1974, I would go for the 1974 federal valve. So yes, you are correct in that the federal EGR valves (and floor jets) injected less EGR into the intake than the California valves.

But if your 2150 is running well without EGR, I would first tee your current EGR valve into the spark port vacuum line and then see how it drives. It might be OK without changing the valve you already have. Also, if I recall correctly, the vacuum advance system also had an "orifice spark advance control valve" (OSAC) black valve in the spark port vacuum line (mounted on the passenger side of the firewall) that delayed the spark advance for 27 seconds also to control NOx emissions. I would bypass that OSAC valve also (go directly from the spark port to the distributor), otherwise you won't gain much in fuel economy due to a lack of vacuum advance under most city driving conditions and a "ported" EGR valve system like I have described would effectively control NOx emissions and pinging when accelerating from a stop or under tip in conditions and significantly improve fuel economy as long as the OSAC valve is bypassed. What allows a car to drive well (no stumbles, sagging, or surging) with ported EGR is a little richer carburetor calibration off idle to cover up the introduction of small amounts of EGR. Hopefully your 2150 is a little richer off idle since it drives well without EGR in the first place. Good luck and if any of this is hard to understand, let me know.
 
Also for tbm3fan, if I recall correctly you are probably having this issue with your 1973 Polara 4 door with the special, really nice looking Spring Edition interior (or maybe it was called the Navajo edition). I was wondering whether you saw this emblem for those models on Ebay (kind of pricey but if you really needed one..................)

1973 DODGE POLARA CUSTOM SPRING SPECIAL ROOF PILLAR EMBLEM NOS MOPAR 3749955 VIP

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