CHRYSLER 1968 FOREST GREEN METALLIC

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I went to a local paintshop and asked them to scan the car on several places.
I painted a sample and compared with the car. It was not too bad but I am just going to
patch paint the car on 3-4 flaws.
My car has never been re-painted but is insanely shiny. Several car painters has checked it and they have all accepted it as a fact.
The factory black stripe code SB is still there on all doors and fenders and quarters.
It has chips and a couple of dings but it would be a shame to tear it down and refininish it.
Has anybody got a really good receipe for this color? I mean a receipe from a known manufacturer like PPG so it man be used globally.
 
Over the past 2 months I have bought about 6 spray cans of the custom-mixed single-stage (base coat) spray from a local body shop supply place. My car is the 1967 dark forest green metalic. I don't know if the color changed from 1967 to 1968 or is the exact same. (does anyone know about color changes from year to year?) I assume that the Dodge colors are the same as Chrysler, just given different names. ?

Anyways, I was using the paint to re-paint the inner wheel fenders in the engine compartment and the cross-bar. And the fire wall. After about 1/2 hour of spraying the base I sprayed the 2-component clear coat (also from a spray can). I love how it turned out. The color is a great match. But it takes a lot of paint to get the deep dark green.

I don't have the paint codes on the can with me here, I'll post the details later today.
 
the problem is that original paint fades and oxidizes over the years, and even the "right" formula will be more likely to closely match how the car left the factory than how it currently looks...various pigments they used back then no longer exist, ( many due to enviornmental issues) and you're probably trying to mix it in a different base than what the factory used...for spot repair you'd be better off with a skilled paint shop that can add a little of this and that to your current blend to make it match what you currently have
 
Paint is ALWAYS fading from UV light exposure. It IS slow and typically not noticed, but it happens. AND the amount/intensity of the light can vary from side to side AND color of the paint.

In the 1968 era, GM had a color that I termed "pale pea green metallic". After about one year in the Texas sun, the vertical parts of the car (hood, top, deck lid) had all faded to a more silver color, uniformly. The vertical sides were still pretty accurate to the original color. Light colors usually fade quicker than darker colors.

By comparison, the gold Chrysler had on their B-bodies seemed to fare much better, as to decreased fade and vibrance of the metallic, 40 years later.

To find paint that is the most true to the original color, that would be on the inside of the deck lid, I suspect. BUT if you are going to spot-paint, then what we used to term "hand matches" of the affected areas is the only way to go, with the mixer also doing "fine-tuning corrections" as needed.

When I was reading the Body section of my '66 Chrysler FSM, it mentioned how to shoot sealer in the drip rail pinch weld area. It ALSO mentioned paining and spot repairs. INCLUDING the mention of how gun air pressure can affect the final color, as to how the metallic lays out because of that pressure! The color might look exact in the "dab test" the mixers might do oni hand matches, BUT if the painter shoots it with a different-then-OEM air pressure at the gun, it can come out looking lighter or darker than it should, due to how the metallic flakes lay out as they hit the surface.

ONE other observation about "patches". EVEN if the new paint matches exactly to the original paint, the NEW paint will then age from UV exposure. The existing paint will continue its change in color from UV exposure, too. IN theory, they would both change at the same rate, but I have observed (on cars which were patch-painted) that all can be good for about three years before the aging issue will be noticeable, in both color value and surface shine. Metallic reds happen quicker than light yellows, too.

ALL cars were painted in what is now termed "single stage" acrylic enamel (Chrysler and Ford) and acrylic lacquer (GM). This is NOT the base coat for the newer basecoat/clearcoat system. The addition of the clear top coats will shift the base color from what it was without the additional clear on top.

In about 1984, after GM pickups had transitioned into BC/CC paint, we got a group of them in with a new metallic blue that reminded me of the earlier Chrysler B5 blue. We had to repaint many areas as the paint was soft, as delivered to us. I commented to our painter that it looked like it was a Chrysler color, but a few shades off. He later said the paint people had confirmed my suspicion. The base coat was the same as that earlier B5 blue, but the clear coat on top shifted it enough it was a few shades different.

Ford had a little different approach with their "glamour colors" for middle 1970s Lincolns and T-birds. Shoot two coats of pure acrylic enamel color. Let it flash for a spec amount of time. The paint remaining in the spray gun, use clear to refill the gun and mix it up. Shoot that mixture until it was used up. Then a final refill with pure clear for the final coat. The ultimate color match would NOT be exact until that final coat of clear was applied. This was well before any basecoat/clearcoat systems existed.

Many times, too, many body shops shot acrylic lacquer for repairs as it is less critical to dust, due to the way it dries. Which is also the reason it must be "finish buffed" for a good shine.

By contrast, acrylic enamel dries with a harder shine and needs to cure before it reaches its higher levels of durability. In those earlier times, a dust-free spray booth was necessary. Acrylic lacquer could be shot in an open shop, usually.

THEN came the "hardener" for acrylic enamel paints, as an additional additive. One of our painters shot a used car, a '76 LTD that was the silver metallic from back then. He shot it late one afternoon in our spray booth, with the hardener. The next morning, he backed it out and put the buffing wheel on it. I saw it later that day and it was "better than new money" glossy silver. That became the "new standard", to me.

Many people want to get their cars "patch painted" to get rid of door dings and rock chips, but the best option might be to get some paint mixed and then touch-up these areas, once cleaned with solvents and the edges smoothed, then using an artist's camel hair brush to fill in those recessed areas, in thin coats rather than one big glob, and then finish polish the area by hand. MUCH less intrusion into the factory paint that way and still achieving the desired smooth effect.

Paint is kind of like automatic transmissions, every painter has their own little tricks to get things done. Some "legal" and some "by their magic", it seems. I observed these and many other things over 50 years, your observations and experience can vary, which I certainly respect.

ENJOY!
CBODY67
 
Paint is ALWAYS fading from UV light exposure. It IS slow and typically not noticed, but it happens. AND the amount/intensity of the light can vary from side to side AND color of the paint.

In the 1968 era, GM had a color that I termed "pale pea green metallic". After about one year in the Texas sun, the vertical parts of the car (hood, top, deck lid) had all faded to a more silver color, uniformly. The vertical sides were still pretty accurate to the original color. Light colors usually fade quicker than darker colors.

By comparison, the gold Chrysler had on their B-bodies seemed to fare much better, as to decreased fade and vibrance of the metallic, 40 years later.

To find paint that is the most true to the original color, that would be on the inside of the deck lid, I suspect. BUT if you are going to spot-paint, then what we used to term "hand matches" of the affected areas is the only way to go, with the mixer also doing "fine-tuning corrections" as needed.

When I was reading the Body section of my '66 Chrysler FSM, it mentioned how to shoot sealer in the drip rail pinch weld area. It ALSO mentioned paining and spot repairs. INCLUDING the mention of how gun air pressure can affect the final color, as to how the metallic lays out because of that pressure! The color might look exact in the "dab test" the mixers might do oni hand matches, BUT if the painter shoots it with a different-then-OEM air pressure at the gun, it can come out looking lighter or darker than it should, due to how the metallic flakes lay out as they hit the surface.

ONE other observation about "patches". EVEN if the new paint matches exactly to the original paint, the NEW paint will then age from UV exposure. The existing paint will continue its change in color from UV exposure, too. IN theory, they would both change at the same rate, but I have observed (on cars which were patch-painted) that all can be good for about three years before the aging issue will be noticeable, in both color value and surface shine. Metallic reds happen quicker than light yellows, too.

ALL cars were painted in what is now termed "single stage" acrylic enamel (Chrysler and Ford) and acrylic lacquer (GM). This is NOT the base coat for the newer basecoat/clearcoat system. The addition of the clear top coats will shift the base color from what it was without the additional clear on top.

In about 1984, after GM pickups had transitioned into BC/CC paint, we got a group of them in with a new metallic blue that reminded me of the earlier Chrysler B5 blue. We had to repaint many areas as the paint was soft, as delivered to us. I commented to our painter that it looked like it was a Chrysler color, but a few shades off. He later said the paint people had confirmed my suspicion. The base coat was the same as that earlier B5 blue, but the clear coat on top shifted it enough it was a few shades different.

Ford had a little different approach with their "glamour colors" for middle 1970s Lincolns and T-birds. Shoot two coats of pure acrylic enamel color. Let it flash for a spec amount of time. The paint remaining in the spray gun, use clear to refill the gun and mix it up. Shoot that mixture until it was used up. Then a final refill with pure clear for the final coat. The ultimate color match would NOT be exact until that final coat of clear was applied. This was well before any basecoat/clearcoat systems existed.

Many times, too, many body shops shot acrylic lacquer for repairs as it is less critical to dust, due to the way it dries. Which is also the reason it must be "finish buffed" for a good shine.

By contrast, acrylic enamel dries with a harder shine and needs to cure before it reaches its higher levels of durability. In those earlier times, a dust-free spray booth was necessary. Acrylic lacquer could be shot in an open shop, usually.

THEN came the "hardener" for acrylic enamel paints, as an additional additive. One of our painters shot a used car, a '76 LTD that was the silver metallic from back then. He shot it late one afternoon in our spray booth, with the hardener. The next morning, he backed it out and put the buffing wheel on it. I saw it later that day and it was "better than new money" glossy silver. That became the "new standard", to me.

Many people want to get their cars "patch painted" to get rid of door dings and rock chips, but the best option might be to get some paint mixed and then touch-up these areas, once cleaned with solvents and the edges smoothed, then using an artist's camel hair brush to fill in those recessed areas, in thin coats rather than one big glob, and then finish polish the area by hand. MUCH less intrusion into the factory paint that way and still achieving the desired smooth effect.

Paint is kind of like automatic transmissions, every painter has their own little tricks to get things done. Some "legal" and some "by their magic", it seems. I observed these and many other things over 50 years, your observations and experience can vary, which I certainly respect.

ENJOY!
CBODY67
Yes , that is of course a fact that this is almost impossible to do without disturbing the "survivor" touch that car is surrounded with.
Left quarter extension has a ding so I am going to paint it using the scanning receipe. I am going to apply darkgrey primer
to the vertical area only so it will be interesting to compare when it is ready.
How should the underhood green parts really be painted? I don`t think they have the full paint gloss like the outside panels.
It seems like the layer is ultra thin and without the red good primer under.


Thanks for the replies
Ralf
 
The 1967 and 1968 GG1 are different formulas. Go by the paint code or formula because the names are different for the different makes of mopars in the same year. Then they can use the same name 10 years later but the formula is different. So now you have the wrong color.

I've been working with different paint shops on this color and have not got anything close enough to to partial painting with.

I painted some under hood and it was acceptable for a few years. It has been 7 years now and it has faded and doesn't match very well at all.
 
Here's my example of old paint vs new paint. The old paint isin't actually the original paint the car had. It was repainted in 1987, the instructions were to match it exactly. The example below shows an inner fender and the windshield or hood/vent trim piece (not sure what the correct name is, I'll just call it hood trim).

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The hood trim is the 1987 paint, there's no wax on that. For the past 24 years that paint has had maybe a few hours worth of sun exposure. Note the left edge of the trim. This part is covered by the stainless steel windshield trim. I thought it could use more paint or better coverage, so that part got a shot of the new paint. Here's a close up:

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Remember, the new paint has a clear-coat layer. Maybe too generous? It's hard to photograph glossy surfaces. Some of these photos make the difference between the old and new paint really stark.

When the paint guy made the first sample of the new paint, he put some on a stick and held it next to the hood trim (I brought the hood trim to the paint shop). While wet, on the stick, with the shop lighting, it looked like an exact match.

Here's a close-up of the new paint on the inner fender:

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I think the gloss is amazing. No wax!

Here's the paint code info:

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Here's what I got (base, clear, epoxy primer, each one in a rattle can):

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Once the 2K cans are activated, you've got 2 to 4 days to spray it. I applied the clear maybe 1/2 to 1 hour after I shot the base. I like how it turned out, but to do a spot repair on an existing panel, I don't know, its a lot of work.

And let me say, this wasn't cheap.
 
I did a test paint on the left quarter extension but only on the outer vertical surface. It is not perfect but not bad either imo.
It is too light. I think if I would paint a quarter and have the door unpainted it might be painful for the eye.

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I did a test paint on the left quarter extension but only on the outer vertical surface. It is not perfect but not bad either imo.
It is too light. I think if I would paint a quarter and have the door unpainted it might be painful for the eye.

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I have put it on the winter sleep now. I still haven`t found out how to remove the split bench seat rear cover
without breaking something. Any out there throw a clue...
I have the inner fender cable straps coming from QQE...excellent.
The rear light stud protector plugs are also coming...won`t say hurrah yet until I have tried them on.
Bought a aluminium radiator as a spare if the original will start to leak more. This was 250 usd and a re core here around
will be not less than a thousand.. I am painting the aluminium flat black epoxy...then I maybe not will puke when I see it..
Bought a rh mirror so if somebody has the correct place for it please help..
 
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