Chrysler 300 69-71

I hope they stay "undesirable" in the market. I would hate to see the prices go into stupid muscle car territory. I like it that C Bodies are still a working man's hobby car.

Indeed, I got another load of parts and spent a lazy Saturday freeing up rusty bolts and marveling at how durable these things are. After 6 years I wonder sometimes if it is the process or the finished product I'm after, having too much fun taking my time. Finding parts for few hundred dollars makes it worth the effort, but also keeps it sane.
 
This "beer wagon" tradition sound a lot like the demo derby here in the states....

Oh I forgot, the cars need to be painted matte black, kick the doors in and tear the interior apart, and that's somehow cool. Usually they do this when they think the car is beyond repairable, but I've seen many grandpa's gems get treated like this. And for some reason dixie flags are popular, and all this rebel thing with rockabilly music. Swedes call this stuff "raggare". I don't git it..
 
But the babe's aren't 1/2 bad.
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I remember when that $32,000 (approx) light brown 300 now for sale in Germany was bought about a year and a half ago out of the Bay Area in California. It is indeed a one owner car, with low miles. I know the price it was purchased at, and to look at its value now, is nothing short of astonishing! It is even a non-a/c car and now with an aluminum radiator it appears. I think I will hold on to my C bodies a little tighter for awhile now until the market levels off of its current meteoric rise! By the way, I don't think I could find two nice 69-71 300s over here for sale right now either.

Hi Steve,

I haven't seen the car in person just in pictures but I agree totally.
Colour combo is not the most requested (gold outside/brown inside)
steering column auto
no console
no TNT
no Road wheels
some wrong parts in the engine bay.

It is for sale since quite a while in germany but no one is stepping up to buy it for that money (32k$)
It might sell here if it is priced around 22k$ but only if it is really nice despite the already mentioned problems

Carsten
 
I see your point, but also think the people in the B body market in the U.S. tend to be the more wealthy individuals just because nice B bodies are so much more valuable at the present time than C bodies. For people now in the C body market, which may just be taking off given their increasing desirability around the world, they tend to be more of our middle class that has been left out of the current B body reality. As such, with no savings, it is hard for them to buy a nice $10K C body when the seller really isn't interested in letting a buyer make payments over time based on a $100 deposit. Full time jobs, stable jobs, decent salaries, or those ancient relics of the past called pensions aren't readily available here in the U.S. anymore, and even college degrees may not help much (if the middle class could even afford to send their kids to college anymore). It seems people in Germany at least and some other European countries seem to keep their eye on the ball more than folks here in the U.S. when it comes to politics and seem more analytical in making political choices than Americans who take all they have much more for granted and are more influenced by talk radio, internet and TV sound bites rather than analyzing what is really happening and voting accordingly. One thing for sure, these trends are complex and there are a bunch of factors influencing them.

Oh, and I called the seller just out of curiosity and asked him why the car was still not sold after 4 individuals actually came and looked at the car, and his response was simple: not a one of them had the money ($3000) was his reply (although they may have seen additional problems/expenses that didn't make the car worth it to them I was also thinking to myself).

ok, it is getting difficult without going into deeper detail.
Where does the middle class start, where does it end?
Not easy and it has a wide range.
The process of a dying middle class has continued in the US for a longer time compared to europe

Despite from that:
I wouldn't go and check out a car if I can't afford it (unless I just want to see it but I would tell the seller upfront to not waste his time).
And in this case it is "only" 3k$. Not 30k$
So it gets checked out and the guys who did it don't have 3k$ if needed?

Carsten
 
Hi Steve,

I haven't seen the car in person just in pictures but I agree totally.
Colour combo is not the most requested (gold outside/brown inside)
steering column auto
no console
no TNT
no Road wheels
some wrong parts in the engine bay.

It is for sale since quite a while in germany but no one is stepping up to buy it for that money (32k$)
It might sell here if it is priced around 22k$ but only if it is really nice despite the already mentioned problems

Carsten

Even if it sold at $22K in Germany, it is still many multiples of what it was bought for here in the U.S. only 1 1/2 years ago, and it was listed for some time before it was finally bought. I have seen the car, and at least back then, it wasn't all that nice in my opinion, and very low optioned as you point out. I don't think it would sell in the U.S. today for anything near that money.

Steve
 
ok, it is getting difficult without going into deeper detail.
Where does the middle class start, where does it end?
Not easy and it has a wide range.
The process of a dying middle class has continued in the US for a longer time compared to europe

Despite from that:
I wouldn't go and check out a car if I can't afford it (unless I just want to see it but I would tell the seller upfront to not waste his time).
And in this case it is "only" 3k$. Not 30k$
So it gets checked out and the guys who did it don't have 3k$ if needed?

Carsten

I really don't think there is much of a middle class left here in the U.S. It seems the middle class is just financing their purchases with relatively easy credit availability (what led us into the last collapse in 2008) and they have no savings. Car purchases are financed over 7 year terms now. Just try to listen to the radio and there are at least 4 advertisements per hour how you can easily refinance your house and get cash out for what you want - like there is no cost to that eventually. In other words, people are financed to the hilt and they have no cushion at all. The rich get richer and pay relatively little taxes, and the poor get poorer and more desperate (witness all the shootings here increasingly) and pay no taxes and the middle class still picks up the tax tab, but it no longer is enough to sustain good schools, infrastructure, services to the needy, etc. I am not surprised that none of them had the cash available and wanted mainly to see an unusual car primarily since they lived nearby. But that car does have some issues, so that must have played into it as well.

People here are fed up with the current situation - part time jobs instead of full time jobs, can't afford higher education (not that it does much good anymore), no retirements, working long hours for little pay, etc. That is why Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are picking up steam. People really want change, rather than the same old rich and corporations buying our Congressional representatives to load the deck further in their favor. I don't want to start a political argument by saying all this, but I really don't think the economy in the U.S. is all that great still. And with all the influx of desperate people from the Islamic states and Africa in to Europe, with Germany taking more than most it seems, things there are likely to get far worse soon too. And now China is rattling their sabers with Putin seeming to form a stronger alliance with them, none of this is good for the world order. But maybe I am just getting old and more negative!!!
 
Even if it sold at $22K in Germany, it is still many multiples of what it was bought for here in the U.S. only 1 1/2 years ago, and it was listed for some time before it was finally bought. I have seen the car, and at least back then, it wasn't all that nice in my opinion, and very low optioned as you point out. I don't think it would sell in the U.S. today for anything near that money.

Steve
Keep in mind the 22k$ I mentioned include not only the US purchase price but also shiping, deloading, import duties and taxes as well as the cost for german paperwork and bringing it over the german inspection (TÜV) etcetc. At 22k$ sales price here you look roughly at 15k$ purchase price in the US. Which is probbly still a lot more than it did cost back then.

Carsten
 
wouldn´t have thought that my question would end up in a political discussion xD
 
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