Conserving Oil Is No Longer an Economic Imperative

I'll tell you what car companies want that oil companies won't give... 100 octane fuel. If you really want to conserve fuel and improve emissions, more spark advance and boost are the answers.

As for Jimmy Carter's CAFE supply-side strategy, it's done nothing to the market except move people into trucks, force the production of unprofitable smal cars and hand the luxury car market to Germany, which is free to import all the 12 Mpg $100k sedans they can sell.
 
As for the oil companies getting subsidies, last I read it was about $16 billion a year in the US alone.
I'm no expert on the state of the country, at least not based on what the govt and media tell us the state is.
But if oil companies are getting 16b of subsidies - I bet there are other industries that get a helluva lot more.
Not saying it's righteous - just stating that they want us upset about that (OMG, 16 billion!), while they quietly hand out 10x that amount to their other buddies.
 
I'm no expert on the state of the country, at least not based on what the govt and media tell us the state is.
But if oil companies are getting 16b of subsidies - I bet there are other industries that get a helluva lot more.
Not saying it's righteous - just stating that they want us upset about that (OMG, 16 billion!), while they quietly hand out 10x that amount to their other buddies.

It all depends on who's definition of subsidy is being used.. I've seen Greenpeace-types claim the entire millitary budget is an oil subsidy.
 
Fracking has been going on for decades, just that with the shale oil and horizontal drilling, it came to prominence. Pumping CO2 into old wells can also help get another 10% or so of crude out of that "salt dome" formation, from what I've read.

I remember the late '70s 3/4 and 1-ton pickups that did good to get 8mpg running down the road empty. Cars that usually didn't get past 20mpg with OD automatics, on the road, too. Even with all of the fancy electronics and such, most SUVs now get fuel economy of a mid-'70s car on the road, although their ratings are higher. Driving style and cruising speed are contributing factors. Most cars will get past 27mpg on the road, using the cruise control, I believe.

The last two Charger R/Ts I rented from National, averaged 29+mpg on an Interstate road trip to east Texas. Cylinder deactivation worked well and seamlessly!

My observation is that as these new engine technologies are in production longer, they get better and knowledge of them becomes more wide-spread at the same time. Internet forums help a good bit, too, for exchanging information.

Vehicle prices have gotten too high, as have the ride height of pickup trucks! When GMC comes out with a multi-step tailgate, that's ONE signal the ride height is too high! I priced a Chevy work truck the other day, online. With some options and a 5.3L V-8, it was right at $35K. Yet the sales of regular 4-drs is more like $45K? And with a 4-dr top-of-the-line diesel HD2500, it gets to $60K+ really quick! Add on the front bumper replacements, took boxes, step bars, etc., and it gets terribly close to $100K! Payments more than a house payment a few decades ago! AND it hasn't ended yet!

There was an article about how that taking all of the CAFE regulations "off" could cost the average consumer about $3K+/year in added fuel costs from lower fuel economy.

Locally, E85 is about 40 cents/gallon less than E10. E0 is 30cents/gallon more than E10. E15 is 7 cents/gallon less than E10. E10 means about 6% less fuel economy, with greater amounts of "E" in gasoline getting progressively worse fuel economy, although the fuel gets less expensive. I don't believe there's a good trade-off in this mix.

There's still oil underground that hasn't been discovered yet. The Permian Basin is turning out to be like a lasagna pan of oil layers.

ONE key thing is that no matter how many regulations might be weakened/removed, the producers will NOT flood the market with crude oil if it will make the barrel price decrease so much they lose money!

No new refineries? Correct, it's more cost efficient to expand what's already there, for many reasons. Refinery shut-downs for yearly maintenance and seasonal change-overs? It's been that way for a very long time. It's to the refinery's advantage to make it as short is possible as "no product out the pipes, NO $$$$$ for the refinery.

Refinery capacity? That's easily trackable if you know where to look. I believe it usually runs about 88-92% most of the time. Obviously, some efficiencies might be lost if more production capacity was used, or possible atmospheric emissions exceedances?

It's been interesting when a big oil company looks to shutdown an old refinery and local jobs will be lost. Usually, some smaller gasoline seller will purchase it, re-do it, and make it a profitable venture once again, saving local jobs at the same time.

I suspect that oil company subsidies come in the form of tax breaks. There's an ad running on local radio about 100% tax write-off for oil well drilling investments, if you pay over $50K(?) in federal income taxes each year. Of course, that's presuming no "dry holes".

As other local/regional operatives have determined, which probably will NOT be affected by any possible reduction in regulations or enforcement of same, they aren't going to change their existing operations as in a few years, they might have to "make up for lost ground". Many are carrying on with their Paris Climate Accord orientations, too, regardless of what a US President might desire. They want to be "the good guys" when it all settles out in the future.

Many CAFE non-advocates claim it should have been consumer-mandated rather than government-mandated. BUT we all know how consumers go. Until their backs are against the wall, they usually won't do what's good for themselves. Until it's too late. By then, the adaptation costs will have soared a good bit. Better to have the government incrementally mandate these things to help decrease costs and such, in a mutually-beneficial manner.

Middle 1950s consumers would pay for more chrome and other things that were visible, but not improved Triple-Turbine Flight Pitch DynaFlow automatic transmission in Buicks (which GM/Buick spent millions to develop. Rather have two-tone paint, whitewalls, and CHROME instead. Getting them to spend several hundred dollars for electronic/mechanical fuel injection for better fuel economy and performance, compared to a 4bbl carb, even with a few more mpg in the mix, would have sold simimlarly "slow". Rely upon consumers to make a choice that doesn't really benefit them? Rather than the future environment for their grand-kids? Doesn't usually happen for very long, historically. (Simple/cheapest way to do things) = BEST, typically.

People keep buying "lifted" pickup trucks, with "submarine-spec" metal in the bed, rather than a pickup that has 16" wheels and a better step-in height for shorter people. The "Hot Wheels" generation wants their larger-diameter wheels and the "Monster Truck" generation want their "lifted" pickups. Their "dream trucks" from their younger years? But when the base trucks get too tall for me, I'm not a buyer. Yet I have to get in one of those every day at work, no matter what! Step bars can get in the way, too!

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I'm no expert on the state of the country, at least not based on what the govt and media tell us the state is.
But if oil companies are getting 16b of subsidies - I bet there are other industries that get a helluva lot more.
Not saying it's righteous - just stating that they want us upset about that (OMG, 16 billion!), while they quietly hand out 10x that amount to their other buddies.
I agree the taxpayer does foot the bill to a lot of cronies. But like it or not, without oil the world would be screwed, its the one commodity that allows us the amount of food in the world, the amount of resource extraction in the world, the amount of wealth in the world, it all ties back to oil.
World population wouldn't be anywhere near what it is without oil, it drives the machine of industry on a scale like no other energy source. Food production, mining, manufacturing, local and world transportation of commodities and goods, all of it dependent on oil.
I did a quick check and found an article from February this year, total subsidies to oil companies is $400 BILLION. I'm not going to argue one way or the other on the validity of such payments, just reporting it is done.
Maybe $400 Billion in Fossil-Fuel Subsidies Isn’t So Bad for the Planet - The Atlantic
 
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Everyone is always complaining about the price of gas! When comparing the increase in gas prices from, say 1960, to gas prices now and the price of everything else from 1960 until now, gas is actually cheap(er)! On the average, everything is now 10 - 12 times higher. Given a the price of gas in 1960 was $.30 to $.33 and using the 10 - 12 factor, gas should be $3.25 - $4.00. With regard to government subsidies for the oil industry, I hear this "political" comment a lot but no one ever states what those subsidies are. Could someone please clarify that? With regard to refinery capacity, because of government regulation and permitting it has become almost impossible to build a new refinery. I believe the last "major" refinery licensed was in the late 1970's. Blasting the oil industry is a politically expedient tool because it is something that everyone requires. Where is the nickel candy bar (has gone up 20-30 fold), where is the $3,000 Impala, where is the $.50 lb. of hamburger, what were wages in 1960 and where are they now, the price of a new home, etc. etc. etc. Furthermore, I find it amusing when I go by a drive up coffee shack or Starbucks and people are lined up to pay $2.00 to $4.00, sitting in their car, to get a cup of coffee and then complain about the price of gas. Personally, I don't complain because for what I can do and where I can go on a tank of gas is relatively cheap. I just made a trip through Montana and drove 3,300 miles and it cost me approximately $400; cheap transportation! IMHO.
Have you seen the gasoline prices in New York city, Chicago, and Los Angeles? Right in line at $3.50 - $4.00 a gallon.
 
Have you seen the gasoline prices in New York city, Chicago, and Los Angeles? Right in line at $3.50 - $4.00 a gallon.

I'd sooner live in Detroit than those horrible places you listed. (no joke) And Detroit gas is cheaper than the suburbs. Advantage: 'hood.
 
Oil rich Alberta and we are paying $5/gal for 87octane and over $6/gal for 91 octane however when you factor exchange in at $0.70 against the USD its about the same
 
I lived in the Detroit suburbs for 2 1/2 years, and all I can say is that I completely and seriously hated every minute of it. Crap cold weather too much of the year, salt on the streets, gloomy way too often, excess humidity and mosquitoes in the summer, no mountains and a downbeat mentality everywhere you go. But that was in the 70s when it was better than it is now with downtown a miserable place now, at least until Ford tries to revitalize it some. You have to give up half of the productivity of your life just to endure through the winters. Enjoy!
 
Snow and cold make you stronger.:poke: Or dumber, haven't figured it out yet.
 
Nothing makes you feel alive like getting slapped in the face but a cold north wind in winter... makes you appreciate the other 2 weeks of the year.......
 
No, they'll just find another, different subsidy to tack onto the existing ones that will cost even more and cause untold new problems.......
 
Everyone is always complaining about the price of gas! When comparing the increase in gas prices from, say 1960, to gas prices now and the price of everything else from 1960 until now, gas is actually cheap(er)! On the average, everything is now 10 - 12 times higher
Actually the average price of gas in 1960 was $0.31, and according to this page : Gas Price in 1960, it amounts to $2.60 in 2018. Given that the current average actual price is around $2.83 (https://gasprices.aaa.com/), the price has only gone up 9% in almost 60 years.

Conserving oil may no longer be an economic imperative, but it is still a major pollution issue.
The more gas we use, the more CO2 we reject, along with other nasty things.
 
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