DRB II scanner needed

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Looking to borrow or purchase(not way expensive!) a DRB II scanner. Basically for the transmission in my '93 Eagle. I have a code 50 which the transaxle book states to check the speed sensors first. Depending on what the outcome of the sensors is, one test is for the clutch packs. That is the one I am not hoping for! I could spend $20-$25 on new sensors and not fix the problem. I would rather diagnose before throwing parts and money at a possible bigger problem. How about any new type scanners on the market? Do they perform the same functions as the DRB II? Thanks in advance for any guidance.
 
Good luck...I asked this same question on 6 different mopar forums....crickets:BangHead::rant:
 
Mopar dealership fairly close by has it but it will be in the neighborhood of $125 to diagnose. I could do a tranny filter and fluid change and replace the sensors for less than that!! Oh well, guess I will keep looking for a little while.
 
Mopar dealership fairly close by has it but it will be in the neighborhood of $125 to diagnose. I could do a tranny filter and fluid change and replace the sensors for less than that!! Oh well, guess I will keep looking for a little while.

Sorry that you were left ignored. I went and DUG out the old Chrysler transaxle diagnostic manuals from behind/beneath everything else in my large closet/small office. To verify: code 50=gear ratio error in reverse, which may be accompanied by other codes. The transmission computer compares 2 speed sensors...input shaft and output shaft... and it know what the difference should be because it controls the shifts. This code could be used to diagnose where in the transmission slippage is occurring...a scan tool capable of resetting your transmission control module is required...clear codes in neutral, then drive forward until codes are set again(you will wind up in limp mode again,2nd gear only)...if these codes indicate a different friction element at fault you could test your sensors, if your scan tool shows pids(parameter identification data values) you could calculate input/output speeds vs. published gear ratios. AS A SHADE TREE diagnostic test you could use an oscilloscope and test the signals from both sensors... you will usually spot irregularities right away in a scope pattern of a failed sensor. Otherwise the sensor information is simply being used by the transmission control module to determine that a clutch is slipping and you will have teardown the transmission to inspect for that. Lots of aftermarket scan tools could read trans information enough to start this diagnosis and after reassembly you will wipe this transmission out on the first shift through the gears if you don't "quick learn" the Clutch Volume Index number with the scan tool engine running in park before EVER engaging a gear. The DRBIII replaced the DRBII and is fully capable of working with your car. Good news the deal still has one...and the adaptor needed if there was updated software available, because your transmission control module is FLASHABLE... meaning it can be reprogramed with new software if Chrysler deemed there was a deficiency in their initial work. The DRBIII was upgraded by Chrysler and retrofitted to older units with a 2 channel OCILOSCOPE because they recognized the ease this would bring to their technicians finding one to prove out those pesky sensor failures and such. As the dealer drivability tech who only made $30 of that $125 and less now that I teach this **** and still had to pay for the $100k++ worth of tools my career accumulated.

Assuming since you believe the very obsolete DRBII, which is still worth an easy $125 or more, will somehow solve your problems. And you know in ten minutes they could just tell you you'll need a transmission, or at least a teardown with hopes of it being rebuildable...which it might not be if you have continued to drive it in second gear limp. I would guess you are a bit over your head on this one. Now if popping in a couple sensors and a fluid change does it... good for you! Consider me to be a sarcastic guy with unwed parents who at least took the time to briefly explain your trouble code and its diagnostic meanings.

I know there are other knowledgeable people here who might feel the need to correct or clarify a detail or two here... but I helped first.
 
Sorry gents, something just kinda rubbed me wrong here. If its not worth paying for diagnostics you wont like scan equipment prices either. All cars with self diagnostics built before the 1996 model year and depending on who you listen to after 1982/1984 are called OBD1. OBD2 cars started in 1996 and more or less have similar diagnostic features as new cars today...these OBD2 cars are the ones they sell cheap code readers for... because they can use a universal government mandated computer communication protocol to talk to any OBD2 car and give at least some information.

OBD1 cars like your had no universal language or codes...there were special adaptors for different CAR MANUFACTURERS for the tool to communicate and in this era and some, like Chrysler had several adaptors/software packages...to work on anything except the engine itself typically requires the tool owner to buy a separate software kit for that system... my old obsolete scan tool has "Atari" style cartridges for Domestic, Import(Asian only),Transmission, and ABS brakes... each upgrade was usually another couple grand expense. many newer scan tools and newer shops don't even bother investing in OBD1 equipment and therefore cant do much with those cars but guess...

I worked in those underequipped shops a few times and can tell you there are basically 2 ways they would diagnose your car. The first way is based on experience the tech will essentially guess. In your case, a safe guess is you need a transmission, or rebuild. The second way which is closer to how I survived on that level was too guess, and then prove your guess...which sometimes took me more than the allotted hour of labor I was paid... so I would essentially work for free for you, the shop didn't care so long as they didn't go out of pocket. See why techs can get defensive about this. To prove my educated guess I would often use tools like oscilloscopes to view the electrical patterns the sensors made... now I couldn't begin to want to try and decide speeds form this, possible but a wasted effort... sensor patterns often show irregularities when there is damage...but that damage is sometimes from the component the sensor reads in which case you would still need a transmission.

The best course of action for you to follow would be to try to get the code cleared by any local shop and see if it resets driving forward which may take some driving or better yet just pay for them to diagnose this. Battery disconnects usually wont make a difference to a Chrysler computer because most had built in reserve power to prevent losing critical shift data. if that shift data is lost your chance of causing a clutch to wear out on its first shift are huge... so stay away from that trick. Even a junk yard transmission needs the scan tool to learn your car's computer, but if your willing to risk doing the job several times you may get lucky and get one that survives the first shift through all gears without failure.

And finally, this board has lots of great guys willing to help. But with a much older car and much different technologies...don't feel bad if nobody wants to respond to a post asking for a entirely different generation of cars and computers. Our computers here are often called OBD0 because they predate the OBD1 standards and most don't use a scan tool because the car wasn't designed for one... and lots of those are eliminated back to simpler controls even though its against emission regulations to do so... because those systems are so out of date the cars aren't even tested anymore.

Good luck with your transmission, I hope its not what I suspect.
 
Sorry gents, something just kinda rubbed me wrong here. If its not worth paying for diagnostics you wont like scan equipment prices either. All cars with self diagnostics built before the 1996 model year and depending on who you listen to after 1982/1984 are called OBD1. OBD2 cars started in 1996 and more or less have similar diagnostic features as new cars today...these OBD2 cars are the ones they sell cheap code readers for... because they can use a universal government mandated computer communication protocol to talk to any OBD2 car and give at least some information.

OBD1 cars like your had no universal language or codes...there were special adaptors for different CAR MANUFACTURERS for the tool to communicate and in this era and some, like Chrysler had several adaptors/software packages...to work on anything except the engine itself typically requires the tool owner to buy a separate software kit for that system... my old obsolete scan tool has "Atari" style cartridges for Domestic, Import(Asian only),Transmission, and ABS brakes... each upgrade was usually another couple grand expense. many newer scan tools and newer shops don't even bother investing in OBD1 equipment and therefore cant do much with those cars but guess...

I worked in those underequipped shops a few times and can tell you there are basically 2 ways they would diagnose your car. The first way is based on experience the tech will essentially guess. In your case, a safe guess is you need a transmission, or rebuild. The second way which is closer to how I survived on that level was too guess, and then prove your guess...which sometimes took me more than the allotted hour of labor I was paid... so I would essentially work for free for you, the shop didn't care so long as they didn't go out of pocket. See why techs can get defensive about this. To prove my educated guess I would often use tools like oscilloscopes to view the electrical patterns the sensors made... now I couldn't begin to want to try and decide speeds form this, possible but a wasted effort... sensor patterns often show irregularities when there is damage...but that damage is sometimes from the component the sensor reads in which case you would still need a transmission.

The best course of action for you to follow would be to try to get the code cleared by any local shop and see if it resets driving forward which may take some driving or better yet just pay for them to diagnose this. Battery disconnects usually wont make a difference to a Chrysler computer because most had built in reserve power to prevent losing critical shift data. if that shift data is lost your chance of causing a clutch to wear out on its first shift are huge... so stay away from that trick. Even a junk yard transmission needs the scan tool to learn your car's computer, but if your willing to risk doing the job several times you may get lucky and get one that survives the first shift through all gears without failure.

And finally, this board has lots of great guys willing to help. But with a much older car and much different technologies...don't feel bad if nobody wants to respond to a post asking for a entirely different generation of cars and computers. Our computers here are often called OBD0 because they predate the OBD1 standards and most don't use a scan tool because the car wasn't designed for one... and lots of those are eliminated back to simpler controls even though its against emission regulations to do so... because those systems are so out of date the cars aren't even tested anymore.

Good luck with your transmission, I hope its not what I suspect.

Thanks for the info! The car has no issues with any forward gears, runs,drives,and shifts fine. Does not go into limp mode. I have read and /or looked at the service manual and trans-axle manual and it is obvious there could be any number of reasons for the condition. One cause COULD be a clogged filter. Has been suggested that an accumulator could have a hole or crack in it and it is losing pressure. The originals were made out of plastic. It could possibly be an input or output sensor. My worst fear of course is the clutch pack. There have been a few guys over on the Intrepid forum who have had the same issue and had done a fluid and filter change and fixed the problem. Not saying it will fix mine but hell...I can purchase the filter.fluid,and both sensors for no more than around $50. If it works I am good to go, if it doesn't than more than likely it would need a rebuild. Cheaper to throw a few parts into it than over $100 for them to try a diagnosis.
 
Go for it... at this point your only betting $50...but you MIGHT still need someone to clear codes...not sure if the transaxle code will reset itself. Clearing adaptive memory and performing a Quick Learn is also recommended...but it will eventually find its way...at least mostly. There is a known valve body clogging issue that your new fluid/filter may help or hurt more...and it clogs from clutch wear debris... so if it doesn't stay working you could try again... the proper flush involves remove/replace solenoid pack and use mopar flush tool to directly flush the body pan off... not too cheap. And remember the clutch wear and fluid changes is the cause so rebuilds often happen anyhow. A good scan tool with transmission software can give CVI numbers which directly relate to clutch wear so the diag often does not involve "try a flush first"
 
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