E440 hp 9D257xxx

[Tommytmopar]

I have a 440 hp in my Roadrunner. I think it could be a c body engine. The number stamped above the oil pan is 9D then the six numbers of the vin. 9 is 1969 D is belevedere I believe. Did Belvedere onlybuild c body cars in 1969? C body cars received hp engines in 69 and 70. Am I correct on this? Any c body help or revelations greatly appreciated. Thanks Tommytmopar

 

[70bigblockdodge]

C body cars received HP engines for all years depending on how it was ordered. What is the question?
I have a 69 HP engine that came from a 4door Monaco.
Someone forgot to paint the top of your radiator.
I also believe you have a 70 up drivers side manifold, but my eyes are not what they used to be. Negative battery cable is bolted in the wrong place and not engine over sprayed. Spark plug wires are not correct.

 

[413]

Yes Belvidere only built C-bodies, Yes it’s from a c-body, yes they were an option in C-bodies

Your engine looks great how it is!

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Also you know the 440 was not available in 69 except as the A12 package which were actually converted 383 cars.
Your car looks nice.

 

[Tommytmopar]

Yes Belvidere only built C-bodies, Yes it’s from a c-body, yes they were an option in C-bodies

Your engine looks great how it is!

Thanks for that info and thank you for the compliment. Greatly appreciated

 

[Tommytmopar]

C body cars received HP engines for all years depending on how it was ordered. What is the question?
I have a 69 HP engine that came from a 4door Monaco.
Someone forgot to paint the top of your radiator.
I also believe you have a 70 up drivers side manifold, but my eyes are not what they used to be. Negative battery cable is bolted in the wrong place and not engine over sprayed. Spark plug wires are not correct.

Yes the manifolds are 71s Im not to worried about details. Thanks for info. Back in 1997 they gave me points for that radiator. Either way as long as I run 180.

 

[Tommytmopar]

Also you know the 440 was not available in 69 except as the A12 package which were actually converted 383 cars.
Your car looks nice.

Yes when I got my car the440 emblems were on the hood. After years I finally put 383 emblems on it. Everybody would always say is this a gtx made into a roadrunner.

 

[Davea Lux]

As a follow on, the A-12 option for '69 had the aluminum intake that was purchased directly from Edelbrock. The '70 6BBL had a cast iron intake with Chrysler numbers. The 6BBL engine was offered on the '70 Sport Fury GT and as special order equipment on a few C Body police cruisers (rare!), V Code on VIN.. These were the only 6BBLs on factory C Body cars. A lot of C Body, L or U Code engines (440 HP, 440 Magnum or 440 TNT) eventually found their way into a lot of A, B and E bodied cars after the factory engines in the smaller cars had failed. The '69 6BBL engines in the A,B cars were coded M for the engine code on the VIN for factory 6BBL engines.

Dave

 

[Tommytmopar]

As a follow on, the A-12 option for '69 had the aluminum intake that was purchased directly from Edelbrock. The '70 6BBL had a cast iron intake with Chrysler numbers. The 6BBL engine was offered on the '70 Sport Fury GT and as special order equipment on a few C Body police cruisers (rare!), V Code on VIN.. These were the only 6BBLs on factory C Body cars. A lot of C Body, L or U Code engines (440 HP, 440 Magnum or 440 TNT) eventually found their way into a lot of A, B and E bodied cars after the factory engines in the smaller cars had failed. The '69 6BBL engines in the A,B cars were coded M for the engine code on the VIN for factory 6BBL engines.

Dave

That’s interesting information Dave. When my engine was rebuilt it had a six pack cam and six pack rods. I always wondered if it might have been a six pack, but then I learned a lot of engines were beefed up by installing those components. I don’t know if there would be anyway to really know unless the car with matching vin was located.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

70 up hp and motorhomes engines all had 6 pack rods.

 

[Tommytmopar]

C body cars received HP engines for all years depending on how it was ordered. What is the question?
I have a 69 HP engine that came from a 4door Monaco.
Someone forgot to paint the top of your radiator.
I also believe you have a 70 up drivers side manifold, but my eyes are not what they used to be. Negative battery cable is bolted in the wrong place and not engine over sprayed. Spark plug wires are not correct.

The next time I’m under the hood I’ll move that cable thanks for the point. Also now I’m running 69 date coded wires. I liked the 8.5 s but I couldn’t use my factory wire holders. I’m gonna put the washer system as well. You should seen that engine bay when I first got her. She was a race car. The battery was in the back, wires everywhere coil, ecu in the front. I’ve slowly gotta. Her back to factory. Later

 

[Davea Lux]

That’s interesting information Dave. When my engine was rebuilt it had a six pack cam and six pack rods. I always wondered if it might have been a six pack, but then I learned a lot of engines were beefed up by installing those components. I don’t know if there would be anyway to really know unless the car with matching vin was located.

Starting late in '69 the 440 HP engines had the forged steel crank and the heavier 6BBL rods. The 6BBL, HP, Magnum and TNT engines were all very similar. The cam grind is the same except that the cam ramping on the 6BBL engine is harder to accommodate the stiffer valve springs. The only way to determine if a 6BBL engine is "real" would be the "M" or "V" code on the outside of the block. The 6BBL engines had some extra finishing done to the crankshaft with a different crank number, #3512036, this engine would also use damper #3512017 which was shared with some of the other externally balanced 440 engines. Quick ID for an externally balanced engine is the HEMI orange color '69-'71, and the egg shaped center section of the harmonic balancer. All 440 engines had steel cranks thru '73, but not all were externally balanced. Later 440's '74 and up used and iron crank that was also externally balanced with the 6BBL style rods.

Dave

 

[Tommytmopar]

Starting late in '69 the 440 HP engines had the forged steel crank and the heavier 6BBL rods. The 6BBL, HP, Magnum and TNT engines were all very similar. The cam grind is the same except that the cam ramping on the 6BBL engine is harder to accommodate the stiffer valve springs. The only way to determine if a 6BBL engine is "real" would be the "M" or "V" code on the outside of the block. The 6BBL engines had some extra finishing done to the crankshaft with a different crank number, #3512036, this engine would also use damper #3512017 which was shared with some of the other externally balanced 440 engines. Quick ID for an externally balanced engine is the HEMI orange color '69-'71, and the egg shaped center section of the harmonic balancer. All 440 engines had steel cranks thru '73, but not all were externally balanced. Later 440's '74 and up used and iron crank that was also externally balanced with the 6BBL style rods.

Dave

Thanks Dave I’ll look for the letters M or V however I don’t ever remember seeing them before. I never knew Chrysler put a marking on six packs. Thanks again.

 

[Davea Lux]

Thanks Dave I’ll look for the letters M or V however I don’t ever remember seeing them before. I never knew Chrysler put a marking on six packs. Thanks again.

It will be digit number 5 on the VIN number on the engine. i.e. PH23V0D200000 the V is the engine code
in mopar VIN's. It would also be digit 5 on the vehicle VIN. You can look a lot of this stuff up at www.mymopar.com

Dave

 

[Tommytmopar]

Ok I don’t think I have that on my engine I have 9D257xxx. Mymopar.com is great I get all my schematics from there. From what I’ve learned here it would have to be a police car I’d say the odds are long. Thanks for sharing the info.