commando1
Old Man with a Hat
The only image I understand...
Electronic control unit tester
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70bigblockdodge
Old Man with a Hat
I think that's the wrong symbol for a light bulb.
Wollfen
Old Man with a Hat
So the only image that Stan understands is in fact wrong....
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Gawd, trying to think that through hurt my head...
When Chrysler's California Emission Test Facility closed when the company went into bankruptcy in 1981, a huge pit was dug in the ground next to the facility and a ton of testers and NOS carbuetors (TQs and every other one imaginable) and all kinds of other stuff were thrown in the pit and covered up. I retrieved one of those testers and some carburetors before it was covered up though, so I do still have one of those testers. It was a sad day for me and I was the last one to turn the lights off and lock the door forever. I cried as I walked away, knowing I would never see the facility again and it was my last day employed with Chrysler. I could have returned to Detroit but chose not to. I loved every day I worked for them though.
Now a bunch of warehouses cover that land where the facility used to be.
Now a bunch of warehouses cover that land where the facility used to be.
70bigblockdodge
Old Man with a Hat
Throwing plastic into a non-linered hole in the ground. If you had any ground water in California that pit would probably negate all that had been achieved by the facility up to that point. That state really is a fun experiment to watch from the outside, PITA to live with, but fun to watch. If we could just get thier facts, and not the propaganda it would be better for the 49 other states.
78Brougham
"Chump"
Chilton manuals, the new "go to" replacement for the unobtainable Sears catalog in the outhouse.
Wollfen
Old Man with a Hat
Pours a whiskey on ice, hands it to Stan, here, no need to think.Gawd, trying to think that through hurt my head...
The orders came from Detroit when the company was bankrupt and didn't want to spend any money to ship it all back, so they gave the manager of the lab the directive to dig a hole and dump the stuff. I really doubt the State knew anything about it obviously, until maybe when the grading took place for the huge warehouse complex that replaced it. Then they probably had it all removed. I did my part by lifting some of the "junk" before the dirt covered it all back up. So the orders came out of the State of Michigan via Chrysler, you know, where the fine citizens of Flint still have excess lead in their drinking water after almost 5 years of government "concern".
I don't know why California is the most populated state in the U.S. when I read the comments from the well-informed FCBO members. Must be a terrible place when I read those comments. But that is fine with me, as we really don't need any more to come our way. I have lived here 68 of my 71 years now, and I actually love living here. And when I read the usual comments from the haters on this site, I really do wonder what they are talking about? But what do I know? I actually live here. But then, I don't watch the real news on Fox to tell me how to think despite the realities I see firsthand.
Somehow, I expected better from you Dave.
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70bigblockdodge
Old Man with a Hat
I did my time there. It was fine. The steps they have made to clean up the air are very good and needed. Some of the overdone wording of the laws are the part that is troubling and I don't need it influencing my state government based on "this is what they did in CA". I'm sure some of it is better now and the older cars are left alone.
Like now I see all these new trucks with Ca clean idle stickers on them. Really that's a thing, you have to have a sticker on my truck so I can make a comfortable sleeping environment in my truck to get some rest. Yes you must take 10 hrs. off but since you don't have a sticker you will have to sweat or freeze for those 10 hrs. of trying to sleep, WTF.
I have laid out elsewhere about my experience with the NOx modification to a /6, which did nothing but make it lazy an use more fuel. How could that possibly help the air quality?
It's the broad brush just to get something out there. So they swaped some idle air quality for using more fuel and washing the rings down with raw unburned fuel for all of the part throttle cruising time. Very short sighted.
No problem Steve, I was just venting. Back to regular programming.
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Thanks for your informed comments Dave. My whole career was spent relative to the development of emission control systems, starting with Chrysler where I learned a lot, and then carried on after that. I saw it all and was a part of it. My focus was on development of gasoline emission control systems, and I worked with industry and government to achieve solutions. The early years of gasoline emission controls were fraught with problems and some of the vehicles produced, particularly by Chrysler were among the worst. But better solutions evolved and today, new vehicles perform incredibly well and fuel economy is now a strong point, and they really are clean especially in terms of pollutants that affect air quality. And the typical vehicle can go well into the 250K miles range before being retired. The path was arduous, but it had to be taken. And it succeeded.
Where I differed with the govenmental programs was in requiring retrofit systems to "improve" trucks already on the road to perform more like the new ones. Huge mistake. Those systems never worked well, and trying to retrofit older vehicles was just stupid. Vehicles have to be designed as systems from the ground up. Trying to do it otherwise just made enemies of the folks who were needed to support further development, like yourself. The public took a huge hit because of them. But some bureaucrats had more power than brains. But those actually developing the new standards were well informed and worked with the industry the way government should work. Very little B.S. and straight talk among both sides. I was there to watch it all.
Diesel is a tougher nut to crack because some of the characteristics of the fuel that make it such a great workhorse also complicate greatly the clean up process. But progress continues even today. And like gasoline, it is evolving to relying on allowing the diesel engines to run at optimum performance and fuel economy and let the control equipment clean up the mess. But the clean up equipment is much more complex and therefore is taking longer to perfect.
And since governments do depend on science and technology to make decisions regarding our environment, similar developments are going on to lower CO2 emissions. So the next step is electric vehicles ultimately fueled by renewables as a longer term solution to the warming issue. And maybe better solutions will emerge along the way.
I respect California government because it took a leadership role in solving the smog problem that plagued the state, and everyone benefitted. And they did so well in advance of any action by the federal EPA. Most also do not realize that the regulations that control the check engine light in all new vehicles in this country and elsewhere around the world were developed by the California Air Resources Board, with an emphasis on monitoring everything on the vehicle that can affect emissions when they go wrong. Most have no idea the pushback that industry made to kill those requirements. Industry didn't want their own cars telling owners when they broke. But California prevailed, and industry had no choice but to make their cars more durable to avoid that pesky light from coming on. California today is the only agency that still governs those requirements, not the EPA, except in terms of recall efforts. California ARB engineers were the ones to figure out what VW had done to shut down their diesel emission control systems under actual driving conditions and operate only during official certification testing. VW is still paying on that stupid effort, and it has cost them more than $30 billion so far and the cost continues to climb after their debacle came to light several years ago.
And try to find a broken component in the electronic powertrain control systems in all of todays cars without the on-board diagnostic system requirements that California developed. The system has saved consumers a lot of money when it comes to diagnosing and then fixing some of these electronic wonders. Without it, most techs would be throwing parts at a problem with little success today.
I believe we share similar viewpoints on many things including healthcare in this country. We can and should do better. Thanks for your thoughts!
Where I differed with the govenmental programs was in requiring retrofit systems to "improve" trucks already on the road to perform more like the new ones. Huge mistake. Those systems never worked well, and trying to retrofit older vehicles was just stupid. Vehicles have to be designed as systems from the ground up. Trying to do it otherwise just made enemies of the folks who were needed to support further development, like yourself. The public took a huge hit because of them. But some bureaucrats had more power than brains. But those actually developing the new standards were well informed and worked with the industry the way government should work. Very little B.S. and straight talk among both sides. I was there to watch it all.
Diesel is a tougher nut to crack because some of the characteristics of the fuel that make it such a great workhorse also complicate greatly the clean up process. But progress continues even today. And like gasoline, it is evolving to relying on allowing the diesel engines to run at optimum performance and fuel economy and let the control equipment clean up the mess. But the clean up equipment is much more complex and therefore is taking longer to perfect.
And since governments do depend on science and technology to make decisions regarding our environment, similar developments are going on to lower CO2 emissions. So the next step is electric vehicles ultimately fueled by renewables as a longer term solution to the warming issue. And maybe better solutions will emerge along the way.
I respect California government because it took a leadership role in solving the smog problem that plagued the state, and everyone benefitted. And they did so well in advance of any action by the federal EPA. Most also do not realize that the regulations that control the check engine light in all new vehicles in this country and elsewhere around the world were developed by the California Air Resources Board, with an emphasis on monitoring everything on the vehicle that can affect emissions when they go wrong. Most have no idea the pushback that industry made to kill those requirements. Industry didn't want their own cars telling owners when they broke. But California prevailed, and industry had no choice but to make their cars more durable to avoid that pesky light from coming on. California today is the only agency that still governs those requirements, not the EPA, except in terms of recall efforts. California ARB engineers were the ones to figure out what VW had done to shut down their diesel emission control systems under actual driving conditions and operate only during official certification testing. VW is still paying on that stupid effort, and it has cost them more than $30 billion so far and the cost continues to climb after their debacle came to light several years ago.
And try to find a broken component in the electronic powertrain control systems in all of todays cars without the on-board diagnostic system requirements that California developed. The system has saved consumers a lot of money when it comes to diagnosing and then fixing some of these electronic wonders. Without it, most techs would be throwing parts at a problem with little success today.
I believe we share similar viewpoints on many things including healthcare in this country. We can and should do better. Thanks for your thoughts!
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Just picked this one up pretty cool.
Moparwilks
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Sweet!
Wollfen
Old Man with a Hat
Dammit, lol
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