Ford Eco Boost

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Ok I get to drive all kinds of late model vehicles. Today I took a turn in a 12 F150 Eco-Boost. Well not impressed. Didn't get on the highway. Just around the auto mall. Felt sluggish & unresponsive. The other full size trucks I have driven with V8's where way more torquey down low. Just my 2 cents

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My parents have one that's a 2014 or 2015, I think, with the twin-turbo 6-banger. I drove it a long way (mostly highway) at Christmas in ND. I had the opposite reaction; I was all prepared to hate it but I was shocked by how much power it had (50-70 passing, etc.). Around town it felt ok.

I did notice that the supposed gas mileage benefit wasn't there. I guess that's the effect of weight; you either have a small engine like the Ecoboost working hard to move the weight, or a good size V8 lazily pulling it along. Ends up costing the same amount of gas.
 
Gee. A turbocharged teeny engine in a huge vehicle.
Just like my turbo V6 LE SABRE I bought in 1978...
We have progressed sideways.
 
cld;260951 I did notice that the supposed gas mileage benefit wasn't there. I guess that's the effect of weight; you either have a small engine like the Ecoboost working hard to move the weightlifter said:
I hope any fleet truck buyers the lurk here understand what you just said. I worked for a co. a few years back that insisted on c-12 & c-13 cat engines for fuel mileage in grossed out dump trucks. Needless to say there were no fuel savings, takes x amount of energy to get x number of pounds over the hill, anyone that has ever pushed a wheelbarrow around knows this. My 2 cents about small motors in trucks of any size.
 
First of all, I'll say that I've never owned one or even driven one of these "Eco Boost" trucks, but as soon as I first heard about them, I couldn't help but think that if you take a small engine and increase the cylinder pressures, then make it work hard all of the time, it ain't gonna last very long.
 
First of all, I'll say that I've never owned one or even driven one of these "Eco Boost" trucks, but as soon as I first heard about them, I couldn't help but think that if you take a small engine and increase the cylinder pressures, then make it work hard all of the time, it ain't gonna last very long.
They don't want it to last very long, the sooner you come back to buy a new one.
 
I understand that for empty truck weight being used as a passenger vehicle the economy is very good but the second you drop your lunch into the box it drops pretty good... or should that be badly???

The trucks these days don't weigh anything near what they used to as well so the gross weight is less
 
Eco-Boost Fuel savings will show up primarily in highway driving rather than city driving. When you have a small engine working hard at lower RPMs (when not in boost like in highway driving without a heavy load in the bed), the throttle is open further than on a bigger engine, and this reduces pumping losses. Pumping losses are significant for gasoline engines that are throttled, especially big V-8s that have the throttles near closed most of the time especially during relatively lower RPM highway driving when the engine pretty much loafs. The smaller turbo engines can deliver decent around town mileage too, but if you like getting into the turbo a lot for brisk acceleration just because you can, then the mileage suffers around town. Driving habits greatly affect mileage on smaller turbo engines in vehicles compared to non-turbo engines. The main advantage to diesel engines over gasoline engines is that they do not have throttles at all, and thus have no pumping losses. That combined with a little more energy in a gallon of diesel compared to gasoline is why diesels generally get significantly better mileage than gasoline engines. Witness the 2015 Ram 1500 diesel that is rated at 29 mpg highway, best in class. Downsized turbo engines could deliver even better mileage than today if our base gasoline octane were 91 and our premium octane was closer to 98, but the oil companies have fought this hard (maximize profits) and the EPA won't budge on this issue because of the backlash that would come from people complaining about fuel cost increases even though it should be a few pennies per gallon more unless the oil companies take advantage of the situation. And any small increase in the cost of base high octane gasoline would be offset by the better mileage on advanced high pressure downsized turbo engines. Europe is much more enlightened on this issue than here in the U.S. Also, Ford has amply demonstrated that downsized turbo engines today will go just as far as any gasoline engine (just as durable) - the technology is there to do it.

Steve
 
Eco-Boost Fuel savings will show up primarily in highway driving rather than city driving. When you have a small engine working hard at lower RPMs (when not in boost like in highway driving without a heavy load in the bed), the throttle is open further than on a bigger engine, and this reduces pumping losses. Pumping losses are significant for gasoline engines that are throttled, especially big V-8s that have the throttles near closed most of the time especially during relatively lower RPM highway driving when the engine pretty much loafs. The smaller turbo engines can deliver decent around town mileage too, but if you like getting into the turbo a lot for brisk acceleration just because you can, then the mileage suffers around town. Driving habits greatly affect mileage on smaller turbo engines in vehicles compared to non-turbo engines. The main advantage to diesel engines over gasoline engines is that they do not have throttles at all, and thus have no pumping losses. That combined with a little more energy in a gallon of diesel compared to gasoline is why diesels generally get significantly better mileage than gasoline engines. Witness the 2015 Ram 1500 diesel that is rated at 29 mpg highway, best in class. Downsized turbo engines could deliver even better mileage than today if our base gasoline octane were 91 and our premium octane was closer to 98, but the oil companies have fought this hard (maximize profits) and the EPA won't budge on this issue because of the backlash that would come from people complaining about fuel cost increases even though it should be a few pennies per gallon more unless the oil companies take advantage of the situation. And any small increase in the cost of base high octane gasoline would be offset by the better mileage on advanced high pressure downsized turbo engines. Europe is much more enlightened on this issue than here in the U.S. Also, Ford has amply demonstrated that downsized turbo engines today will go just as far as any gasoline engine (just as durable) - the technology is there to do it.

Steve


Stop trying to muddle the issue with facts. :nono:
 
First of all, I'll say that I've never owned one or even driven one of these "Eco Boost" trucks, but as soon as I first heard about them, I couldn't help but think that if you take a small engine and increase the cylinder pressures, then make it work hard all of the time, it ain't gonna last very long.

I agree 100%.....if you drive them 100k or 10 plus years you will be going thru head gaskets at least once let alone the cost of two turbochargers.
 
Fact is P.U. trucks are overweight pigs, doesn't matter if you put little or big engine in them you have to reduce the weight if you want performance/fuel economy. I had a 77 Chevy 4wd lifted big tires got 12mpg average weighed 4700# now i have a 98 Ram 4wd stock has a/c and extended cab weighs 5900# so the 18" of cab and a a/c condenser and compressor weighs 1200#.
 
I studied Newtonian Physics.
I studied Quantum Physics.
I studied Thermodynamics.
There's no substitute for cubic inches.
Wretched excess allowed here.


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I agree 100%.....if you drive them 100k or 10 plus years you will be going thru head gaskets at least once let alone the cost of two turbochargers.
And that is FACT.
You've got these 2 litre (122 cu. in.) weed whacker buzz bombs stressed to within an inch of their life. They don't wear out. They explode like a hand grenade.
 
Stop trying to muddle the issue with facts. :nono:

Thank you for the reminder. I sometimes forget which site I am on, and here, perception and what you want to believe based on the past is all that matters. Technology never progresses beyond big naturally aspirated V8s. Facts be damned!
 
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