found a big mopar obsolete parts vendor in ga

[cuda hunter]

Unfortunately, they do not have my part numbers I have been searching for well over 20 years for.

3481 968-9
M46 simulated side scoop lower quarter

9420 867
Nut

3505954
blue and white lower stripe

3035955
red & white lower stripe

3505 328-9
blue and white lower stripe

 

[cuda hunter]

Go to Google
then using Google this way:

Use multiple search engines.
Google often times does not bring up items that DuckDuckGo will bring up.

It's unfortunate that google and duckduckgo do not search through fakebook.

 

[CBODY67]

Unfortunately, they do not have my part numbers I have been searching for well over 20 years for.

3481 968-9
M46 simulated side scoop lower quarter

9420 867
Nut

3505954
blue and white lower stripe

3035955
red & white lower stripe

3505 328-9
blue and white lower stripe

To me, being in the dealership parts area for over 40 years, the stripes probably will never be found in anybody's NOS selections. Reason? They would only have been ordered by a dealership for warranty work. Or a few years later, for collision repairs. Which means they were used when ordered, not ordered for "general stock". IF they might have been ordered for general stock, when they didn't sell, they would have been returned to Chrysler. If their presence in a dealership parts dept went past that return period, they would have been discarded (either at the desires of the parts manager or at a "field scrap" direction of Chrysler Parts).

The other possibilities would be the Beaver Dam, Wisconsin Vintage Parts, International enterprise. They buy NOS parts from dealership inventories and even OEM inventories to re-sell. In later years, GM has used the "field scrap" designation to scrap a multitude of emblems and decals on GM vehicles. Well after the "anything if its in a GM box" return of the later 1980s. Plus people like Brad's NOS parts who made nationwide "search and buy" missions to fill their inventories of Chrysler NOS parts (including sheet metal).

What I have mentioned is how things normally worked then as now. There can always be some remote exceptions, though.

Just some thoughts and observations,
CBODY67

 

[cuda hunter]

I had not heard of the Beaver Dam. Assuming that is Napleton Dodge?

I get blank stares at Carlisle from the NOS dealers. No one has ever seen the stripes 3035955.
The only lead I have ever gotten on 3481 968-9 was from NOS Wes. As I understand he sold all his parts to someone. Wes did offer me the scoop for an outrageous price (was gonna have to fork it over) but I couldn't even get a reply after he said he would sale it to me. I figure whoever bought out his parts took it and it is dust in the wind.
I'll keep driving 33 hours to try to find an NOS scoop. Keep pushing on. Maybe one day.

 

[CBODY67]

I had not heard of the Beaver Dam. Assuming that is Napleton Dodge?

Vintage Parts International Beaver Dam, WI Parts for many OEMs, not just GM, although many times GM Parts puts their phone number by a parts listing.

The other place is Parts Voice. Started as a phone audio-input service, but has a multitude of OEM parts listed at dealerships. The ONLY thing is that being in dealership stock, you never know if what you get will actually be accurate for the part number on the box (for various reasons). Once bought, no returns. There is also a Parts Voice website, too. On the phone call, it will give you results in a spiral outward from your location.

 

[noah300g]

But he knew a part and what it was for. He also knew part numbers . .

Oh my goodness you guys are making me feel old (actually, I'm about to turn 70).
Has Frank actually been gone since 2014? I still remember his space(s) at Carlisle. I don't think I ever bought anything from him, but always went to drool over his inventory. Prices were just prohibitively high back in the 80's and 90's when there was still a chance you could find what you were looking for elsewhere for less. I've been a vendor at Chryslers at Carlisle for decades now, with mostly depleted inventory from my youth of buying/fixing/parting Chryslers from 55-64 or so.
Getting too old to drag parts cars home to take apart and drag in pieces to PA, so I'm running out of inventory. Usually I would go to more local swap meets for mixed make vendors, and if I saw an NOS shiny chrome piece for any Chrysler product from the 50's or 60's at a cheap price I would buy it even if it didn't fit my car. If I couldn't sell the part to someone in the first couple of days of the show, I would take it up to Frank at his space. Typical scenario was a $10-20 part I found that Frank would give me $30-35 for, that he would then list for $75-100. I made some money on the deal, and the general population who had know idea who I was would at least have a chance at getting the part since most everyone knew Frank and his huge inventory, so it could be back in circulation or better yet, on someone's restored car. It was the 'good old days' of having to walk the fields, press the flesh, and actually hold the part in question instead of just using a keyboard and mouse.

 

[Big_John]

The best way to find a part is:

1. Using the OEM part # or a superseded #
2. Using the casting # if it is different than the number in the part book

You want to use all the numbers associated with this part so both of the above one at a time

Go to Google

then using Google this way:

4658714 Mopar

if you just put a part number in w/o the word Mopar you will see Char Broil grille parts and other crap show up

using Mopar narrows it down to just to Chrysler part

I agree with you 100%.

One question that has always nagged at me is how do I get the superseded part numbers?

I can easily get the part number from one of my parts books, but I never have found how to find out if that part/part number has been superseded.

 

[CBODY67]

Back when Chrysler and AMC merged, the "Jeep" part numbers were given a "transition" part number by Chrysler, which was an entirely different number sequence. Then, with time, Chrysler issues a "Chrysler" part number for them. Quite a "circus" of sorts for the parts inventory people at the dealership!

The part number changes were in the back of the Price Book. If the orig number was not listed in the front of the price book, then you looked in the back section for the new part number. Then looked for that part number in the pricing section. Cycle repeat, some times. Price books were issues every so often.

Perhaps Google can ref those changes? Or alternate part numbers?

Enjoy!
CBODY67

 

[polara71]

Vintage Parts International Beaver Dam, WI Parts for many OEMs, not just GM, although many times GM Parts puts their phone number by a parts listing.

The other place is Parts Voice. Started as a phone audio-input service, but has a multitude of OEM parts listed at dealerships. The ONLY thing is that being in dealership stock, you never know if what you get will actually be accurate for the part number on the box (for various reasons). Once bought, no returns. There is also a Parts Voice website, too. On the phone call, it will give you results in a spiral outward from your location.

25 years ago while on the Yahoo board I purchased a Superlite grill through PartsVoice. After I received it , I realized that PartsVoice simply sold other people's stuff. They had none of it on hand.

 

[Vaanth]

I agree with you 100%.

One question that has always nagged at me is how do I get the superseded part numbers?

I can easily get the part number from one of my parts books, but I never have found how to find out if that part/part number has been superseded.

Previously, finding superseded numbers was accomplished using the "COS" - Canceled Obsolete Superseded - Parts List publications:

The Master Parts List (MPL) publications can also provide some information:

The Accessories Parts List (APL) is also helpful for the Mopar retail lines and other areas:

These publications were generated mostly annually, with supplements filling in. It's digitally handled today. Dealers can see supersession history in part number look ups, but these are what they could have used in the past, although computer access to dealers has been available since the 80s. Paper publications might still be available in some cases.

By the way, if you ever wondered what the "NS1" code or similar NS and others meant when a part is no longer serviced, the COS describes them:

 

[marty mopar]

I have some of those COS books

Sometimes calling a dealership parts dept. you can give them a # and they can run it to:

1. see if any dealership has it
2. see if it supersedes to another #

 

[marty mopar]

2 part locators to use:

www.partsvoice.com

www.rearcounter.com

and for wrecking yards:

www.car-part.com

 

[Big_John]

Previously, finding superseded numbers was accomplished using the "COS" - Canceled Obsolete Superseded - Parts List publications:

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The Master Parts List (MPL) publications can also provide some information:
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The Accessories Parts List (APL) is also helpful for the Mopar retail lines and other areas:
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These publications were generated mostly annually, with supplements filling in. It's digitally handled today. Dealers can see supersession history in part number look ups, but these are what they could have used in the past, although computer access to dealers has been available since the 80s. Paper publications might still be available in some cases.

By the way, if you ever wondered what the "NS1" code or similar NS and others meant when a part is no longer serviced, the COS describes them:

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I have some of those COS books

Sometimes calling a dealership parts dept. you can give them a # and they can run it to:

1. see if any dealership has it
2. see if it supersedes to another #

The problem is I don't have any of those books. Never seen them being sold, although I'll admit to never looking that hard either. I'll bet if they show up, they are gonna be $$.

It seems to me like you would have to have copies from a lot of years to get the job done. Cross an original part # to a ss# and then cross that ss# to another.

I don't have any friends in parts departments anymore as they are either dead or retired. The last couple times I tried to order parts, it wasn't a good experience as they don't seem to want to deal with the public. They don't want to deal with old car parts where they have to look at the microfiche either.

 

[marty mopar]

I still have my COS books... lots of them

"they are either dead or retired" That sounds like some people I know that are still alive. Maybe dead and retired too.

Anyone working in a Mopar part dept. can run a number for you. They are not going to be able to look up an old number prior to 1982
as that is when (more or less) they started to digitize the books into CDs they sent to a dealership. Now who knows if their current
system has any of the early 80's books on file.

I currently have all the Mopar part books (Car and Truck) from 1929-2000) and a load of accessory books from late 60's on up into the 2000's.
All in binders and they weigh a ton. Also have Mitchell crash books too. I have books up the wazoo. Trouble is the wazoo is under repair due
to a flood, a lightning strike, a volcanic eruption and a tornado.

 

[The Rum Cove]

I visited OMS Obsolete last year and got a guided tour which was a heck of a lot of fun for me.
They had the part I needed for my super rare mopar and even one lone box with others parts for her.

 

[CBODY67]

25 years ago while on the Yahoo board I purchased a Superlite grill through PartsVoice. After I received it , I realized that PartsVoice simply sold other people's stuff. They had none of it on hand.

When we were using it at the dealership, to fill in gaps of what had been discontinued, the seller paid a fee to get their obsolete inventory listed. The service was free for the buyer, but we also had to call the selling dealer directly to actually buy the part AND to verify they actually had the part to sell.

Over time, GM got more involved in helping dealers sell their old inventory directly, with their own parts locator service, which is nationwide. So PV is not nearly as needed as it once was.

CBODY67

 

[polara71]

When we were using it at the dealership, to fill in gaps of what had been discontinued, the seller paid a fee to get their obsolete inventory listed. The service was free for the buyer, but we also had to call the selling dealer directly to actually buy the part AND to verify they actually had the part to sell.

Over time, GM got more involved in helping dealers sell their old inventory directly, with their own parts locator service, which is nationwide. So PV is not nearly as needed as it once was.

CBODY67

Well you know what, I was thinking of that other site and I can not recall the name. I was certainly mistaken. Someone help me out...

 

[CBODY67]

Yes, Vintage Parts Intl DOES have parts they sell to customers, whether car dealerships or private citizens. I believe they have retail entities on many parts sales websites? The website will not have that seller's name on it, but the parts will ship from Beaver Dam, WI.

 

[Big_John]

Well you know what, I was thinking of that other site and I can not recall the name. I was certainly mistaken. Someone help me out...

I can't remember the name, but yea, it was a listing of parts through their website. They didn't own a single piece.

 

[marty mopar]

A word of warning to all of you....Pay attention to where you are buying anything online.

When you search for parts on the internet there are people that download other inventories and then mark then up.

I have a crapload of parts uploaded on my website. That website is then listed on Google.

So here is the deal and no doubt it is being replicated all over the internet.


There is this guy who lists all my parts on E-Bay under a different name. He does not own any parts.
Essentially he is a parasite. He has me drop ship the parts that he sells and he triples my price. Now this
just proves that people are lazy and stupid idiots. I do not get it but in the end I get what I want and he
get what he wants. He has been doing this for years. He doesn't understand why they just don't buy it from me.

He does not provide pictures of the parts and neither do I.

"There's a sucker is born every minute"