Heavy Metal

[amazinblue82]

Too young to fully appreciate it in its day. But i DO remember how it inspired the WHOLE world. (please, no debates on whether we went to the Moon or not )

Got back into it with my aerospace engineer daughter (yes, there's a no-kiddin' rocket scientist in the family) and remarkable videos existed even back but now there's HD and surround-sound!

The Saturn V - most powerful machine humans have ever launched (the Russian version never got off the ground) -- and that was now almost 50 years ago! These launches are from the late 1960's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzCsDVfPQqk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtVpvzUF1Y

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Chrysler had a lot to do with rockets and space program which was rolled into NASA. Which makes GMs commercial a few years ago funny because Chrysler did so much for the Saturn V used as a backdrop for a Tupperware car.

 

[amazinblue82]

Chrysler had a lot to do with rockets and space program which was rolled into NASA. Which makes GMs commercial a few years ago funny because Chrysler did so much for the Saturn V used as a backdrop for a Tupperware car.

learn something everyday...:sSig_thanks:

http://www.allpar.com/history/military/missiles.html

As America's manned space flight plans became more ambitious, Wernher von Braun's team designed the Saturn family of launch vehicles. With Chrysler's Huntsville operation then designated the Space Division, Chrysler became Marshall Space Flight Center’s prime contractor for the first (booster) stage of theSaturn I and Saturn IB vehicles. The Saturn I booster stage was designated S-I, which was upgraded to the S-IB for the Saturn IB. Chrysler based its fuel tank design on a cluster of its Redstone and Jupiter tanks, using four Redstone tanks to hold the RP-1 fuel and four to hold the liquid oxygen (LOX) oxidizer, around a central Jupiter LOX tank. Chrysler built these for the Apollo program in the Michoud Assembly Facility in East New Orleans, one of the largest manufacturing plants in the world.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

#1 lesson GM is still a hanger on marketing company.

 

[Snotty]

Was watching the movie "Fury" the other day. Good flick I thought.

Anyway, a scene in that movie was a fight with a "Tiger" tank (similar to a 'fight scene" in Kelly's Heroes -- another good tank flick from the 1970's) made me think of military tanks and other "heavy metal".

That battle scene in Fury is intense!! Tremendously done, and depicts the only way a Sherman could take out a Tiger - from the rear.

I also enjoy Kelly's Heroes, but the "Tigers" in it always bugged me; something was wrong. It was their tracks, they weren't right. That's because they were mocked-up Russian tanks, similar to the ones in Saving Private Ryan. The Tiger in Fury is the only operational one of its type in the world, and is authentic. They borrowed it from an English Museum. Very cool!

 

[amazinblue82]

That battle scene in Fury is intense!! Tremendously done, and depicts the only way a Sherman could take out a Tiger - from the rear. ... The Tiger in Fury is the only operational one of its type in the world, and is authentic. They borrowed it from an English Museum. Very cool!

yep, apparently only a "shot in the can" was surest way a Sherman could take a Tiger...if it survived a frontal assault from an 88mm AP Tiger shell (sparing us all the gory details of when this happened to a Sherman - it takes a WWII tank veteran to explain it), or came up on one from the back and could hit a Tiger where armor was thinnest.

But apparently our British cousins came up with a better gun for Sherman near end of war. Didnt know that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBp4eWqXfno


Photo from the Bovington Tank Museum in the UK, where the only working Tiger tank resides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tank_Museum

 

[bluefury361]

This thread was a lot more interesting when C body's pulling travel & boat trailers was the subject.......

 

[amazinblue82]

This thread was a lot more interesting when C body's pulling travel & boat trailers was the subject.......

that explains why the posts are mostly mine. :icon_winkle:

is there such a thread with same name, different topic (C's towing stuff)? i did a Forum search for the thread name "heavy metal" before i started it but didn't see it.

this one started by Commando1 called "Heavy Hauler"? That's a cool thread in any event - those were the days... i'm sure you'll post the "Admiral" on his towing debut with your camper.

http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar...-Pic-of-the-Day-Heavy-Hauler&highlight=towing

 

[bluefury361]

Originally Posted by bluefury361 This thread was a lot more interesting when C body's pulling travel & boat trailers was the subject.......

that explains why the posts are mostly mine. :icon_winkle:

is there such a thread with same name, different topic (C's towing stuff)? i did a Forum search for the thread name "heavy metal" but didn't see it..

this one started by Commando1 called "Heavy Hauler"? Its a cool thread in any event.

http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar...-Pic-of-the-Day-Heavy-Hauler&highlight=towing

I must have had a senior moment....... I thought this thread started out as Stans "heavy hauler" thread.
Never mind..... carry on.

 

[300rag]

I must have had a senior moment.......

 

[commando1]

Originally Posted by bluefury361 This thread was a lot more interesting when C body's pulling travel & boat trailers was the subject.......



I must have had a senior moment....... I thought this thread started out as Stans "heavy hauler" thread.
Never mind..... carry on.

 

[amazinblue82]

I must have had a senior moment....... I thought this thread started out as Stans "heavy hauler" thread. Never mind..... carry on.

its cool man. i try NEVER to hijack a thread .. without permission. ;)

the flip side of "senior moments" is we are STILL AROUND to be able to have a little fun with the harmless ones.
ccasion14:

 

[amazinblue82]

As this thread winds down, cant leave out the battleships. Still remarkable machines after all these years. Just a few noted below:

The Iowa

The Missouri

The New Jersey

The Arizona

 

[70bigblockdodge]

I like that picture of the USS Arizona in New York and the picture below it of its final resting place on battleship row is ominous.

 

[amazinblue82]

yeah..The Arizona in NYC was in 1916 just after her launch that year. I did NOT know that before today that she a WWI-era "super dreadnaught". She got upgrades in the 1930's and last in early 1941 in Washington state -- before sailing into infamy.

I tell ya...and I digress a bit .. the AZ Memorial is beautiful place and everything about it was first class (I was there in 2003 - my first and only time).

BUT standing there looking down on the ship, and reflecting on the the nearly 1,200 souls lost there (about 900 still entombed), and the ship is still leaking oil to this day, its really a bit overwhelming emotionally.

Overall, worth experiencing nonetheless...PLUS its Hawaii.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

2016 it will be 30 years since I have been there. Amazing that almost the whole forecastle is gone along with number 1 turrent mostly from the explosion. This past summer we went to Topsail beach in N.C. and drove down and toured the USS North Carolina in Wilminton, when you go down into the magazine and powder rooms under #2 turret if all of that was H.E. and powder you get a idea of why it blew apart.

 

[Wollfen]

2016 it will be 30 years since I have been there. Amazing that almost the whole forecastle is gone along with number 1 turrent mostly from the explosion. This past summer we went to Topsail beach in N.C. and drove down and toured the USS North Carolina in Wilminton, when you go down into the magazine and powder rooms under #2 turret if all of that was H.E. and powder you get a idea of why it blew apart.

Whats also interesting to note is that the superstructure still exists and is on dry land, check the link.
http://ussarizonafacts.org/remnant1.htm

 

[Alchemi]

This WW2 German monster was closer to production than many people may realize - 1000 ton tank to be followed by a 1500 ton version, lucky for the allies that it never saw service - 2x 800mm battleship guns and 9 inches of Armour....
The Landkreuzer Ratte

 

[amazinblue82]

... we went to Topsail beach in N.C. and drove down and toured the USS North Carolina in Wilminton, when you go down into the magazine and powder rooms under #2 turret if all of that was H.E. and powder you get a idea of why it blew apart.

Two very short but explanatory videos - the second one narrated - of the strike illustrate your point about the blast size.

There is still debate of what went off first, any fuel or the gun-powder stores/ordnance magazines, but to raise a 30,000 ton ship 30 feet out of the water, breaking it virtually in half, it seems it all detonated nearly instantaneously.

The true sequence of events doesn't really change the fact a catastrophic explosion and fire resulted from the 1,800 pound Japanese bomb that hit it. The guys on the ship never had a chance.

Mercifully the over-pressure wave size, magnified maybe ten-fold within in the confines under the deck, let alone the direct blast effects near the impact site, meant the men probably didn't suffer much at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NaaN0wQtbg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqYO9nT4MtU

Iowa-class turret but you can see the proximity of explosive shells/powder to where the Arizona got hit. The bomb detonated in the one of the worst possible places near and right beneath turrets One and Two.

 

[amazinblue82]

This WW2 German monster was closer to production than many people may realize - 1000 ton tank to be followed by a 1500 ton version, lucky for the allies that it never saw service - 2x 800mm battleship guns and 9 inches of Armour....
The Landkreuzer Ratte

Never heard of this machine before. 'The Rat". Definitely "heavy metal" though. 1000 tons, 18,000 HP, 20 guys to run it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL0h19ci6dw