How much to pay for a fusie in 2021 ?

[Shnalla]

Ok that's a big question here!
How much is a reasonable price for an average condition 2 doors C Body?
I'm not talking about highly optioned or rare car but rather an honest 2 doors car with 383 or 440 and automatic transmission, without major rust or damage?

I know that it may sound dumb but living in Europe, I have no clues how much is right because here, C bodies are more than rare under 10k euros.

Thanks for your help!

 

[polara71]

Ok that's a big question here!
How much is a reasonable price for an average condition 2 doors C Body?
I'm not talking about highly optioned or rare car but rather an honest 2 doors car with 383 or 440 and automatic transmission, without major rust or damage?

I know that it may sound dumb but living in Europe, I have no clues how much is right because here, C bodies are more than rare under 10k euros.

Thanks for your help!

Model will dictate base value.
ALL 2 dr Fuselage cars are rare. Add to that , 4 barrel, big block, rust free? Double/Triple that value of a small block.

 

[cbarge]

This has been discussed in other threads but not as a topic..
If you are located in Europe, it it wise to pay more for a better car. More like a turn key car will save you money in the long run given parts availability and shipping costs.

So 10K is a reasonable starting point.

As mentioned Fusey 2drs are at a premium whether a basket case or cream puff.
I know since Maggie and I have a 69 Fury III 2dr sportsroof plain jane 318 car.
Prices have jumped based on supply and demand and Hagerty and like groups keep a pulse on auctions and marketplace values to base their premiums.

We have a good bunch of members here on both sides of the Atlantic that can be your eyes if you are looking.

There has been quite a few cars over the years exported to Europe and some have come up for sale.
Buying one already there is probably easier but also at a premium but without the importing headaches.

Cars and hookers...the better looking ones cost more for a better experience!! LOL!!

 

[polara71]

As mentioned 69 2drs are at a premium whether a basket case or cream puff.

I disagree. The 70/71 models I believe are in more of a demand. Certainly for the Plymouth and Dodge Cs. They are so because of overall design including interior comfort, engine performance and body styling.
I personally find the 71s to be the best. Torsion quiet ride, high back seats, seat patterns, body styling is better.

While there is an argument to be had my Fuselage year desirability is...
70/71
69
72
73.

 

[FURYGT]

an honest 2 doors car with 383 or 440 and automatic transmission, without major rust or damage?

It depends on what your definition of an honest car... is. Probably $10k - $15k depending on condition and year with the 72 - 73 cars being being on the lower side of my range.

 

[FURYGT]

Here is an answer for you:

For Sale - 1969 Chrysler 300 2 door hardtop....Mine

 

[saforwardlook]

I disagree. The 70/71 models I believe are in more of a demand. Certainly for the Plymouth and Dodge Cs. They are so because of overall design including interior comfort, engine performance and body styling.
I personally find the 71s to be the best. Torsion quiet ride, high back seats, seat patterns, body styling is better.

While there is an argument to be had my Fuselage year desirability is...
70/71
69
72
73.

I agree with all you said except that my personal experience in selling numerous cars overseas is that the Chrysler models are by far the most desired/easiest to sell and the 440s go at a premium. Dodges and Plymouths are desirable too, but not as much nor as easy to sell as a Chrysler. I also personally have had numerous 69-71 models and I also find the Chryslers the most quiet interiors, most comfortable seats (the bucket seats in particular in the 300s for example envelop/cradle one much better than the ones in the Dodges and Plymouths and they seem to hold up much better than the Dodge/Plymouth ones that are essentially identical in many cases and tear apart at the seams easily - not so in the Chryslers) and with the best instrument panels of the 3 models in terms of a sweeping appearance instead of a more clustered/dated one in the Dodges/Plymouths that are essentially the same. I do personally find, however, the styling of the Chryslers and Dodges to essentially be on an equal par with the Plymouth models less desirable (except perhaps for the 1970 SFGT) but in terms of styling especially, opinions car vary widely and are simply a matter of personal taste.

 

[ayilar]

^^This^^

@FURYGT nailed it on the head. That highly desirable 1969 300 2dr with original interior sold this week the same day that it was posted here with an asking price just above $8k. I know the car well, having driven alongside it in my 1971 Monaco for 2-300 miles and seen it at a couple of shows. It is truly turn-key and, as such, would be ideal for someone who (i) wants a desirable fusie, (ii) is OK with a bench rather than buckets, (iii) does not need or want A/C and (iv) can give to the rear quarters, at some point in the car's future, the attention that the current owner said that they need.

Now from the French perspective: you need to add to that purchase cost ($8k) the cost of shipping and registering the car in France, in order to get a good idea of a starting point for the cost of an importer. The latter, however, is no philanthropist: he needs to cover his costs of operating (finance, insurance, storage, etc.) and the risk of getting a dud when he opens the container and he needs to make a living.

With this in mind, 10k euros is IMHO a pipe dream. Here is an example of what you could maybe get for that price: a very good original 4dr G-code (318) 1970 FQ3 turquoise Polara with low miles and a pristine interior. She was listed for $3.5k and I still muse about why I passed on it. She sold last weekend for over $3k, within a couple of weeks of listing and despite the awful weather in MN; she needed nothing except for a windshield IF you could live with the patina.

@Shnalla, looking at your profile, I see that you are interested in a 1972 2dr Chrysler.

--> I am aware of only one 2dr currently for sale (GY8 NYer listed at 2.5k; a GF3 NYer in similar shape just sold, the ask was $1.9k), but neither is in the shape that you'd want.

--> I can point you to two other 1972 Chryslers two-doors (a NYer and a NYB) that are not officially for sale but would be let go to a good home by their owners (no, my Buttercup is not one of them -- I have promised her to another member when I let her go). Meanwhile, if you'd go for a 4dr instead of a 2dr, read this thread. If you want a turnkey car in Europe, see this Newport Royal for 26k euros.

 

[polara71]

I agree with all you said except that my personal experience in selling numerous cars overseas is that the Chrysler models are by far the most desired/easiest to sell and the 440s go at a premium. Dodges and Plymouths are desirable too, but not as much nor as easy to sell as a Chrysler. I also personally have had numerous 69-71 models and I also find the Chryslers the most quiet interiors, most comfortable seats (the bucket seats in particular in the 300s for example envelop/cradle one much better than the ones in the Dodges and Plymouths and they seem to hold up much better than the Dodge/Plymouth ones that are essentially identical in many cases and tear apart at the seams easily - not so in the Chryslers) and with the best instrument panels of the 3 models in terms of a sweeping appearance instead of a more clustered/dated one in the Dodges/Plymouths that are essentially the same. I do personally find, however, the styling of the Chryslers and Dodges to essentially be on an equal par with the Plymouth models less desirable (except perhaps for the 1970 SFGT) but in terms of styling especially, opinions car vary widely and are simply a matter of personal taste.

I so prefer the 71 Dodge/ Plymouth dash over the sweeping speedo of the 69 dodge or the Chrysler dash.
The vinyl buckets of the Dodge / Plymouth are , I think very durable. As you described of the Chrysler's I have described of these seats. I have said time and time again, the 71 Plymouth Dodge C body seat is the most comfortable auto seat i had ever sat in. Plus, I like the look.

Of course I could be biased but I've seen on these boards the Dodge and Plymouth have more of a desirability factor than the Chrysler. The two being more muscular than the Chrysler.
Obviously the 440 but I included the -4 because the 383-4 is not a detractor from a sale like a 383-2.

 

[polara71]

^^This^^

@FURYGT nailed it on the head. That highly desirable 1969 300 2dr with original interior sold this week the same day that it was posted here with an asking price just above $8k. I know the car well, having driven alongside it in my 1971 Monaco for 2-300 miles and seen it at a couple of shows. It is truly turn-key and, as such, would be ideal for someone who (i) wants a desirable fusie, (ii) is OK with a bench rather than buckets, (iii) does not need or want A/C and (iv) can give to the rear quarters, at some point in the car's future, the attention that the current owner said that they need.

Now from the French perspective: you need to add to that purchase cost ($8k) the cost of shipping and registering the car in France, in order to get a good idea of a starting point for the cost of an importer. The latter, however, is no philanthropist: he needs to cover his costs of operating (finance, insurance, storage, etc.) and the risk of getting a dud when he opens the container and he needs to make a living.

With this in mind, 10k euros is IMHO a pipe dream. Here is an example of what you could maybe get for that price: a very good original 4dr G-code (318) 1970 FQ3 turquoise Polara with low miles and a pristine interior. She was listed for $3.5k and I still muse about why I passed on it. She sold last weekend for over $3k, within a couple of weeks of listing and despite the awful weather in MN; she needed nothing except for a windshield IF you could live with the patina.

@Shnalla, looking at your profile, I see that you are interested in a 1972 2dr Chrysler.

--> I am aware of only one 2dr currently for sale (GY8 NYer listed at 2.5k; a GF3 NYer in similar shape just sold, the ask was $1.9k), but neither is in the shape that you'd want.

--> I can point you to two other 1972 Chryslers two-doors (a NYer and a NYB) that are not officially for sale but would be let go to a good home by their owners (no, my Buttercup is not one of them -- I have promised her to another member when I let her go). Meanwhile, if you'd go for a 4dr instead of a 2dr, read this thread. If you want a turnkey car in Europe, see this Newport Royal for 26k euros.

The 69 300 was under priced by 5 grand easy.

 

[ayilar]

The vinyl buckets of the Dodge / Plymouth are , I think very durable.

I respectfully disagree. @saforwardlook is correct, the 1971 seats do crack. The inserts in my 1971 Monaco had been replaced once in the scope of 76k miles, which was the mileage when I bought her two years ago, and the interior had not been abused (the rest of the interior is in very good condition). I then had to redo the front seats at 78k miles. I have seen a number of other P/D with those seats, and all but two had bottom or back vinyl inserts that were split at some of the seams. Assuming that Blue's seats are original, then IMHO you are the exception rather than the rule.

I have said time and time again, the 71 Plymouth Dodge C body seat is the most comfortable auto seat i had ever sat in.

It is a matter of taste, but I personally find that the 1972-1973 NYB buckets are much more comfortable than any seat on a 1971 Monaco or even a NYer -- in part due to the seats, and in part due to the armrests. That is not to say that I dislike the Monaco seats -- they are very nice -- but I prefer the NYB buckets for comfort if not for looks.

 

[sixpkrt]

The 69 300 was under priced by 5 grand easy.

I'm happy with what it sold for, and probably so for the buyer. I see nothing wrong with that.
It would most likely still be for sale had I listed it at $13K.
Truth of the matter, I never grew attached to the triple pickle, so it wasn't hard to let it go. There are much more desirable C bodies out there I would rather have than that trusty ole' 300. Glad I was able to help somebody else get their dream car.

Seeing the latest trends over the last few years, and watching C body values go north of the running joke of a $2500 car, should not be a surprise to anyone, especially Mopar people. It’s simple economics my friends of supply and demand.
Joining FCBO around 8 years ago, I think there may have been 800 members on here. Today there are over 8000 members, which equates to a growing demand in a relatively short time.

Now take into consideration of all nice cars that have traded hands we have discussed over that time frame, whether staying stateside or going overseas, the supply chain starts here in America, and the supply with the numbers of available cars have shrunk quite a bit during that same time because they are selling to people who want to join the hobby or want to add to their collection, resulting in an increased value we now see.

FCBO has become the #1 place to go to if you’re in the market for any of these cars. It seems if a C body that pops up anywhere for sale gets posted here. Hobbyists, flippers and lurkers too are watching the for-sale ads.
When a C body gets advertised here, whether it’s in good shape or not, and whether it gets discussed, admired or picked apart, in most cases they don’t last very long. Having the value of allowing members comment on the for-sale ads are an invaluable resource, and play a big role in helping buyers make their decision to buy or not.

The only advice to share is to not wait if you’re a buyer. There’s going to be a line of people bidding, or somebody that recognizes a good deal who will swoop in to snatch up any decent car quickly, just like the buyer did with the 300 I sold yesterday.

 

[71Polara383]

I personally have grown to like the 69/70 Dodge dash. To me its perfect, and gives the 69-70 models their own identity for the interior. 71-3 Dash was shared with the Plymouth as we all know, and makes the inside of the Polara/Monaco less unique.

Also in 69 and 70 you could get a console as optional equipment with bucket seats on a Dodge, that alone beats the high back buckets.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

I'm happy with what it sold for, and probably so for the buyer. I see nothing wrong with that.
It would most likely still be for sale had I listed it at $13K.

everything is fine if you are happy and satisfied with the sale.
I think 8k $ was on the cheap side but there is some rust in the quarters and old bodywork.
I think you are right at 13k $ would sit. 10k$ might have been possible but would really depend on a closer body inspection

Carsten

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

I so prefer the 71 Dodge/ Plymouth dash over the sweeping speedo of the 69 dodge or the Chrysler dash.
The vinyl buckets of the Dodge / Plymouth are , I think very durable. As you described of the Chrysler's I have described of these seats. I have said time and time again, the 71 Plymouth Dodge C body seat is the most comfortable auto seat i had ever sat in. Plus, I like the look.

Of course I could be biased but I've seen on these boards the Dodge and Plymouth have more of a desirability factor than the Chrysler. The two being more muscular than the Chrysler.
Obviously the 440 but I included the -4 because the 383-4 is not a detractor from a sale like a 383-2.

I think the 69-71 Chryslers are the most popular and common models overhere in europe.
Followed by the Furys. Sport Furys with hideaway headlights are in big demand, too but hard to find.
The Polara/Monacos have a smaller following here compared to the others. 69s are around in bigger numbers but the 70/71 are relativly seldom. Biggest lack for many europeans: There was no hideaway option in 69-71.

Things like seats&comfort don't matter to the buyers overhere. Most of them have no first hand experience and can't compare. So they mostly purchase by the looks.

I agree that the 71 seats are brilliant but also have to admit that the styling is the number one reason for myself to buy a car.

Carsten

 

[polara71]

I think the 69-71 Chryslers are the most popular and common models overhere in europe.
Followed by the Furys. Sport Furys with hideaway headlights are in big demand, too but hard to find.
The Polara/Monacos have a smaller following here compared to the others. 69s are around in bigger numbers but the 70/71 are relativly seldom. Biggest lack for many europeans: There was no hideaway option in 69-71.

Things like seats&comfort don't matter to the buyers overhere. Most of them have no first hand experience and can't compare. So they mostly purchase by the looks.

I agree that the 71 seats are brilliant but also have to admit that the styling is the number one reason for myself to buy a car.

Carsten

Maybe, but they are also the most plentiful by far. When I see a EU guy looking. They usually are specific except " fuselage" rust fred or ten grand usually follow their request. That to me implies C,D or P doesn't matter much.

 

[69monaco]

From Carsten ;

Things like seats&comfort don't matter to the buyers overhere. Most of them have no first hand experience and can't compare. So they mostly purchase by the looks.


Yep....agree!

 

[67Monaco]

$3500 this year adjusted for inflation.

 

[mdh157]

I think this day and age it is darn near impossible to guess a selling price. Look around, there is junk people would have had hauled away not long ago that they are now asking ridiculous prices for. Most of it just sits on FB or CL, and if there is something decently priced some flipper scoops it up and you see it a few weeks later listed for 5-7K (or more) above what they paid for it. Fb is full of first gen camaros and firebirds that people want 15K or more for a roller or a car needing a full, and this is on a sb automatic. Nice fusies are now going to where many of us thought they oughta be years ago but now we are getting bit in the @$$ because we are starting to get priced out of the market.

I think with this ls swap craze a lot of cars without drive trains are now getting purchased to be modded. Can't blame them, I like my old cars but carburetors are a pain.

Just my 2c!

 

[Shnalla]

^^This^^

@FURYGT nailed it on the head. That highly desirable 1969 300 2dr with original interior sold this week the same day that it was posted here with an asking price just above $8k. I know the car well, having driven alongside it in my 1971 Monaco for 2-300 miles and seen it at a couple of shows. It is truly turn-key and, as such, would be ideal for someone who (i) wants a desirable fusie, (ii) is OK with a bench rather than buckets, (iii) does not need or want A/C and (iv) can give to the rear quarters, at some point in the car's future, the attention that the current owner said that they need.

Now from the French perspective: you need to add to that purchase cost ($8k) the cost of shipping and registering the car in France, in order to get a good idea of a starting point for the cost of an importer. The latter, however, is no philanthropist: he needs to cover his costs of operating (finance, insurance, storage, etc.) and the risk of getting a dud when he opens the container and he needs to make a living.

With this in mind, 10k euros is IMHO a pipe dream. Here is an example of what you could maybe get for that price: a very good original 4dr G-code (318) 1970 FQ3 turquoise Polara with low miles and a pristine interior. She was listed for $3.5k and I still muse about why I passed on it. She sold last weekend for over $3k, within a couple of weeks of listing and despite the awful weather in MN; she needed nothing except for a windshield IF you could live with the patina.

@Shnalla, looking at your profile, I see that you are interested in a 1972 2dr Chrysler.

--> I am aware of only one 2dr currently for sale (GY8 NYer listed at 2.5k; a GF3 NYer in similar shape just sold, the ask was $1.9k), but neither is in the shape that you'd want.

--> I can point you to two other 1972 Chryslers two-doors (a NYer and a NYB) that are not officially for sale but would be let go to a good home by their owners (no, my Buttercup is not one of them -- I have promised her to another member when I let her go). Meanwhile, if you'd go for a 4dr instead of a 2dr, read this thread. If you want a turnkey car in Europe, see this Newport Royal for 26k euros.

1972 4dr NY was the first American car I was close to buy.
That was in 2001. It was a turquoise sedan, nice car with very limited surface rust in the trunk.
At that time, the seller was asking 3k euros, but I was younger and did not know much about cars or how to maintain them
I immediately fall in love with the design and knew that sooner or later I will buy one.

Now I prefer 2dr but I'm not against a nice 4dr as long as it is not a sedan.
I'm gathering your opinions about pricing before going any further, because I know prices have jumped since 2001!