It's only nuts and bolts?

[Wonderwagon]

The shop that had my car a 1969 Plymouth Fury Wagon; did me no favors. Concerning sorting and labeling where things came from when they bagged the parts.

I'm getting ready to attach the front fender wheelhouses, and fenders. The "1969-70 Body Assembly Manual" specifies three different 1/4-20 bolts with captive washers that have pilot points. Easy enough. But:

Question is: the difference between the following part numbers, length and or washer diameter, or? PN 6026 855
6025 326
6025 323
Anyone have their front clip off with bagged and tagged or look at the obvious ones around the wheel arch and where the wheelhouse attaches to the frame?

I have looked in the parts manual, and service manual, and even did a google search.

Thanks for looking

 

[CBODY67]

Look in the "Standard Parts" section of the parts book. You might find something there, rather than in the front end sheetmetal section, possibly.

 

[Wonderwagon]

Failed to mention i did look in the standard parts. Neither the clip nuts or 1/4‐20 bolts with loose washers are shown. Also tried the part numbers in the illustrated, parts section and numerical index. Thanks for the suggestion.

Look in the "Standard Parts" section of the parts book. You might find something there, rather than in the front end sheetmetal section, possibly.

 

[Chrome58]

Go and take a look at the nut & bolt catalog from Bulk Fasteners
They list Mopar products by reference, and I found there the 3 references you're looking for.
In some cases, they give the dimensions and details.

 

[CBODY67]

Go and take a look at the nut & bolt catalog from Bulk Fasteners
They list Mopar products by reference, and I found there the 3 references you're looking for.
In some cases, they give the dimensions and details.

Thanks for that link to AMK!! Even MORE interesting is the "Marantz" stereo section!!!!

Definitely NEAT STUFF!

CBODY67

 

[Wonderwagon]

Go and take a look at the nut & bolt catalog from Bulk Fasteners
They list Mopar products by reference, and I found there the 3 references you're looking for.
In some cases, they give the dimensions and details.

Yes, dud look through there previously. Did not try a part number search, just did and not finding these fastners. They have washer head bolts, but i believe the referenced fastners have loose-captive washers. Maybe I'm not searching properly. Going to call tomorrow.

 

[CBODY67]

Perhaps . . . an excursion to a salvage yard might be in order? Or some pictures of where you desire these fasteners to go and the fasteners you have?

Bolts/machine screws usually have captive washers for a reason, other than being a flange-head fastener (with the washer built into the fastener's head). As in the case of the center cap bolts for the W23 center caps, the captive washer is copper rather than steel, of a particular length to prevent an exterior bubble appearing from the use of non-OEM bolts (which are just a bit too long). Not to forget the "tap end" on those bolts to cut threads in the virgin caps, too.

From what I've observed over the years, once you figure out how and why the OEM did things, the fasteners used in these locations can tend to "fall into place" In other words, there was a reason they put the particular items where they did. Which, to somebody who knows what they are looking at, makes the incorrect items in particular locations really stick out like a sore thumb.
In some cases, too, knowing how the cars were assembled on the assy line can be a help, too. In the case of Tri-Five Chevrolet cars, on the upper row of fender bolts, the middle one should be different (head size and thread) than the other ones as when the cars came down the line, the fenders we loosely attached with a sheet metal thread bolt, then a later assy station installed the rest of the upper fender bolts, which were "normal". Seeing one of those cars with all the same upper fender bolts indicates the restorer did not know how the cars were assembled on the line, at the factory.

Just trying to consider other alternatives to failed online searches and such.

Respectively,
CBODY67

 

[Wonderwagon]

Perhaps . . . an excursion to a salvage yard might be in order? Or some pictures of where you desire these fasteners to go and the fasteners you have?

Bolts/machine screws usually have captive washers for a reason, other than being a flange-head fastener (with the washer built into the fastener's head). As in the case of the center cap bolts for the W23 center caps, the captive washer is copper rather than steel, of a particular length to prevent an exterior bubble appearing from the use of non-OEM bolts (which are just a bit too long). Not to forget the "tap end" on those bolts to cut threads in the virgin caps, too.

From what I've observed over the years, once you figure out how and why the OEM did things, the fasteners used in these locations can tend to "fall into place" In other words, there was a reason they put the particular items where they did. Which, to somebody who knows what they are looking at, makes the incorrect items in particular locations really stick out like a sore thumb.
In some cases, too, knowing how the cars were assembled on the assy line can be a help, too. In the case of Tri-Five Chevrolet cars, on the upper row of fender bolts, the middle one should be different (head size and thread) than the other ones as when the cars came down the line, the fenders we loosely attached with a sheet metal thread bolt, then a later assy station installed the rest of the upper fender bolts, which were "normal". Seeing one of those cars with all the same upper fender bolts indicates the restorer did not know how the cars were assembled on the line, at the factory.

Just trying to consider other alternatives to failed online searches and such.

Respectively,
CBODY67

I have the fastners, my memory says the 1/4-20's are correct for the wheel housing to fender connections. What I want to do is make sure the correct ones are returned to the correct place. So yes a 2 hour drive to the closest yard may be in order. I did a socket fitment over all the under hood firewall attached items. Didnt expect the shop was this horrible with the major assemblies like fenders, wheel housing, core support and the like.

 

[Chrome58]

You have to search in AMK products catalog through Google, it's easier.
Here are the results for 2 of the bolts you're searching for.
Alas, I have not found the third one (6026855).

6025326

6025323

 

[Wonderwagon]

You have to search in AMK products catalog through Google, it's easier.
Here are the results for 2 of the bolts you're searching for.
Alas, I have not found the third one (6026855).

6025326
View attachment 553534

6025323
View attachment 553536

Thanks didn't consider that.

 

[thrashingcows]

Most mopar fender bolts are the 6025326 with the smaller captured washer. The larger captured washer bolt might be used at the front and rear corner attachment points, and perhaps down low at the bottom of the fender.