For Sale May be a world record for an NYB

[tallhair]

Well I was going to give you the most honest answer I could but needed to validate 2 things first.

1. Needs nothing mechanically as I assume you keep it well maintained

B. A car as nice and mechanically sound as yous is NOT common or easy to locate.

Actually 3 thing's

iii. your car's body / interior and paint are sound and very presentable.

 

[tallhair]

I'm on phone BTW and hunt and pecking

 

[commando1]

I wasn't really asking for an appraisal. The question was rhetorical.
I know I can get 25 hundred bucks from Dave easily if he's not sinking more money into the Pete.

 

[tallhair]

I wasn't doing an appraisal but since it's so difficult to have lengthy comments at the moment I'll leave it

 

[tbm3fan]

It shouldn't for someone who wanted a pristine sub 10k mile example considering cost to make a fair driver real nice unless pristine examples are pretty easily located and available for purchase.

Yet how many people out there want such a car.

Let's have a line up and a show of hands. How many would like a pristine under 10,000 mile muscle fill in the blank muscle car. Everyone would raise their hands. Now fill in the blank with 1978 New Yorker and please step forward. Probably only a handful and possibly more saying "are you kidding"...

 

[cantflip]

For Sale - 1978 2 Door NYer... 9217 miles???

A far more interesting car... but maybe that has to do with it not being sold by a slick flipper. To be honest, I have always had mixed feelings about the 1978 grilles (sorry Bob) and do not like the St Regis roof all that much. Low mileage is lost on me, because the first thing I want to do is drive... and that would take away the one truly special thing that sets this car apart.

For me, and I don't expect to start a movement here, the appeal of the 1974 other than my emotional connection is the unique features that go with the year. Back glass inserted into a plug that requires the vinyl top to hide it is somewhat special, and the blower driven defroster means it wont hurt the grid if I tint it. Say what you will, to me I love the rear Imperial side marker shields, the NYB rectangle has never been the same for me. I love the unique rear disks, just for being the oddity they are. I imagine they don't really enhance my stopping ability over a NYB, but I still feel the wow factor I did at 18 when I put pads on my first (after returning the shoes I originally bought). 1974 was the only year without a catalyst and I really like not having to worry about if I created a future legal issue by eliminating it, one never belonged there in the first place.

Every year these Formals had some changes/differences and small enough production that finding two alike would be very unlikely. I could really love any of them, but I have what I wanted and I will enjoy the others as a spectator. I don't feel mine are better for everyone else, but they're the best for me.

 

[tallhair]

Yet how many people out there want such a car.

Let's have a line up and a show of hands. How many would like a pristine under 10,000 mile muscle fill in the blank muscle car. Everyone would raise their hands. Now fill in the blank with 1978 New Yorker and please step forward. Probably only a handful and possibly more saying "are you kidding"...

OK you stated the obvious but missed the the actual point with this apples to oranges response that is indicative of why c body values are low and repro parts nonexistent and will stay that way most likely.

 

[Snotty]

I think most of you guys undervalue your c bodies. a piece of **** these days sells for over 20 grand. a lousy piece of crap that will nickel and dime you to death with totally unnecessary computerized bullshit ready to **** up any day after the warranty period. I would pay 15 or 20 grand all day long for that c body. cloth seats and all.

I would agree with your opening statement if the subject were an E Body or some POS '69 Camero. But C Bodies do not go for 20 grand, especially not Formals. I don't like it, but it's often the truth.

 

[tbm3fan]

OK you stated the obvious but missed the the actual point with this apples to oranges response that is indicative of why c body values are low and repro parts nonexistent and will stay that way most likely.

The cars lack critical mass pure and simple. They were falling out of favor back in the late 70's in many parts of the country. Chrysler more so than the other manufacturers. Many former owners of the cars are now dead leaving very few warm bodies to ever create a demand for these cars. How can there be as there was not much demand in 1976-78.

 

[tbm3fan]

A far more interesting car... but maybe that has to do with it not being sold by a slick flipper. To be honest, I have always had mixed feelings about the 1978 grilles (sorry Bob) and do not like the St Regis roof all that much. Low mileage is lost on me, because the first thing I want to do is drive... and that would take away the one truly special thing that sets this car apart.

Exactly. A low mileage car is for a collector who will stick it indoors to admire and show off. Not gonna happen with these cars. So I am like you in that the first thing I want to do is drive the car thereby negating the low mileage selling point of the car.

 

[1978 NYB]

Yet how many people out there want such a car.

Let's have a line up and a show of hands. How many would like a pristine under 10,000 mile muscle fill in the blank muscle car. Everyone would raise their hands. Now fill in the blank with 1978 New Yorker and please step forward. Probably only a handful and possibly more saying "are you kidding"...

Count me as one of them.

1978 NYB's are the coolest!

 

[tallhair]

The cars lack critical mass pure and simple. They were falling out of favor back in the late 70's in many parts of the country. Chrysler more so than the other manufacturers. Many former owners of the cars are now dead leaving very few warm bodies to ever create a demand for these cars. How can there be as there was not much demand in 1976-78.

I don't disagree with a thing you just said but once again it missed the point. There are some who really like the nyb's even if as you say they are few, and my original point was that a person who likes them and wanted one would pay or should pay $10K for a pristine example vs fixing one up ... That's shorthand mind you but that was the point that drew my original response.

And to you comment below about putting miles on it anyway so what? ... Would you rather pay more to paint and mechanically restore it to do the same thing if it's what you want and then drive it?

 

[fury fan]

I think most of you guys undervalue your c bodies. a piece of **** these days sells for over 20 grand. a lousy piece of crap that will nickel and dime you to death with totally unnecessary computerized bullshit ready to **** up any day after the warranty period. I would pay 15 or 20 grand all day long for that c body. cloth seats and all.

Nickel and dime to death? Huh? What about replacing points and plugs every 10K, or at best 30K when electronic ignition came out, more frequent oil and ATF changes required on old cars, nylon-coated timing gears, exhaust system rustout, etc.

Modern cars are light-years ahead in terms of reliability, durability, performance, corrosion resistance, etc. In my younger days I bought numerous dirt-cheap 1985-1995 cars with 100k+ miles and put 30-50k more miles on before selling them -- and I rarely did any repairs to them aside from tires, brakes, oil, alternators, etc.

And I see a LOT FEWER stranded cars along the highway compared to years past.

 

[fury fan]

I don't disagree with a thing you just said but once again it missed the point. There are some who really like the nyb's even if as you say they are few, and my original point was that a person who likes them and wanted one would pay or should pay $10K for a pristine example vs fixing one up ... That's shorthand mind you but that was the point that drew my original response.

And to you comment below about putting miles on it anyway so what? ... Would you rather pay more to paint and mechanically restore it to do the same thing if it's what you want and then drive it?

Agreed - it will almost always be cheaper to buy a nicely-preserved car than to restore one.

And if someone gets a car with 10k miles and put 30k more on it - so what? Still low mileage. I would rather have a well-maintained, regularly driven car with 75k+ miles than something that is rarely driven and sitting under a blanket.

 

[livininharrow]

Nickel and dime to death? Huh? What about replacing points and plugs every 10K, or at best 30K when electronic ignition came out, more frequent oil and ATF changes required on old cars, nylon-coated timing gears, exhaust system rustout, etc.

Modern cars are light-years ahead in terms of reliability, durability, performance, corrosion resistance, etc. In my younger days I bought numerous dirt-cheap 1985-1995 cars with 100k+ miles and put 30-50k more miles on before selling them -- and I rarely did any repairs to them aside from tires, brakes, oil, alternators, etc. I would rather be stranded on the side of the road waiting for roadside assistance once every 5 years than be driving a shitbox.

And I see a LOT FEWER stranded cars along the highway compared to years past.

I would gap or replace points and condensers all day long if needed than drive a piece of **** computer controlled car. are you one of the guys that would have a self driving car because it might not get you into an accident? o k. I have said enough.

 

[cantflip]

Nickel and dime to death? Huh? What about replacing points and plugs every 10K, or at best 30K when electronic ignition came out, more frequent oil and ATF changes required on old cars, nylon-coated timing gears, exhaust system rustout, etc.

Modern cars are light-years ahead in terms of reliability, durability, performance, corrosion resistance, etc. In my younger days I bought numerous dirt-cheap 1985-1995 cars with 100k+ miles and put 30-50k more miles on before selling them -- and I rarely did any repairs to them aside from tires, brakes, oil, alternators, etc.

And I see a LOT FEWER stranded cars along the highway compared to years past.

Without agreement on the entire issue... when is the last tine someone here replaced the radiator hoses or belt(s) due to a failure in those parts? Not something else took it out, the belt itself was the cause or the upper radiator hose blew out... that stuff used to be almost a daily event at a busy highway access gas station in the 80s... now its 300-400k miles and still wearing OEM...

IMO an old car can be a reliable driver, there is a point where parts availability hurts this and maintenance is a part of the deal not a secondary issue. Those of us who don't drive them enough do our own damage over time, mechanical stuff needs to move, electro-mechanical needs to move too, and fluids need to be circulated and run through a full cycle regularly.

 

[commando1]

You can go down to any Buy Here Pay Here store, pick out a cheap beater, and after a brief pre-trip checkup, most likely will be able to fill it up and drive cross country.

You can buy a nut and bolt restoration and it's likely the thing will **** the bed two blocks from home.

I trust any old car like ours as much as I trust Hillary.

 

[Dobalovr]

You can go down to any Buy Here Pay Here store, pick out a cheap beater, and after a brief pre-trip checkup, most likely will be able to fill it up and drive cross country.

You can buy a nut and bolt restoration and it's likely the thing will **** the bed two blocks from home.

I trust any old car like ours as much as I trust Hillary.

Feels like I need one of these following behind me everytime I hit the highway......just in case

 

[fury fan]

I would gap or replace points and condensers all day long if needed than drive a piece of **** computer controlled car. are you one of the guys that would have a self driving car because it might not get you into an accident? o k. I have said enough.

No, you said too much. I said nothing about you personally, just gave some evidence against the opinion that old cars are a better gameplan than new cars, and some examples that old cars are the ones that will nickel-dime. I have seen that opinion from numerous 'old guys' and I rebut it whenever I see it. It's an ostrich-head belief that comers from forgetting the frequent maintenance that old cars required back in the day. In the 70s-80s I remember my dad replacing mufflers every few years due to rustout - I haven't replaced a rusty muffler in 20+ years.

I have zero interest in a self-driving car. I am annoyed by texters, and people whose brains are numb due to so many safety features on a new car. I will however, take 4-channel ABS in the wintertime, thank you.

 

[fury fan]

I trust any old car like ours as much as I trust Hillary.

Trust the car more - it can quietly sit there and not do anyone else any harm. (goes for any politician)