Need help decoding a vin

[RR Fan Dan]

These numbers don’t match anything that I have been searching online for. The PP as the leading numbers is throwing me off, and even if you don’t start with PP the numbers don’t make sense. I didn’t try the fender tag because its hard for me to read and i have never decoded one. This is supposed to be a 67 Plymouth Sport Fury.

Vehicle ID PP23G64117830

 

[SportFury70]

These numbers don’t match anything that I have been searching online for. The PP as the leading numbers is throwing me off, and even if you don’t start with PP the numbers don’t make sense. I didn’t try the fender tag because its hard for me to read and i have never decoded one. This is supposed to be a 67 Plymouth Sport Fury.

Vehicle ID PP23G64117830


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That car is NOT a ‘67, it is a ‘66. Normally “PP” is Plymouth Premium, and that would be a VIP model. The engine code “G” would be a 383 2 barrel. That tilt-tele steering is VERY rare too by the way. There are way more knowledgeable people on here that may correct me and ad their wisdom such as @fury fan or @FURYGT but this is what I know.

 

[SportFury70]

to FCBO by the way, we’re happy to have you. I believe I recognize your screen name on FBBO too

 

[RR Fan Dan]

Thanks for the help. So its a 2bbl and not a 4 bbl carb?

 

[FURYGT]

Thanks for the help. So its a 2bbl and not a 4 bbl carb?

Correct.

 

[Xcudame]

Definitely a 66 Sport Fury 2 door hardtop! Actually I believe the "625" on the left hand side of the second row of the tag indicates it's a 4 bbl. 62 is 4 bbl and 61 is 2 bbl. And the 5 is Torqueflite Automatic.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Model year 66 is a bit wonky when it comes to 383 coding. It's different than '67 and later coding. The letter G only tells us it's a 383. You have to look at the application and other factors to determine what carb it has.

In a C body, you have to look at things like the fender tag. 66 C bodies code G in the VIN for both the 61 (2bbl) and 62 (4bbl) assemblies. This car codes 62 so it was a 4bbl.

 

[FURYGT]

I’m now reminded that a 66 300 that I used to own was a G code but was a 383-4 bbl.

 

[CBODY67]

That is a nice looking car that cleaned-up nicely, on the outside and inside. What does it look like underneath? Agree, a 1966 for sure.

The issue of the engine size and carb might be best defined as "B-engine 383". In actual use, the advantage of a 2bbl would be the 2.76 rear axle and easier high-speed cruising in the 75-90mph range (on the peak of the rated power torque curve). With a 3.23, it would be running about 75mph instead.

The advantage of the 4bbl would be the 3.23 gears and WOT power above abt 3000rpm. How often are you in that rpm range in normal use?

Check www.hamtramck-historical.com for if the 383 2bbl was "Commando" and the 383 4bbl was "Super Commando".

End result, if you want the car, don't quibble over the carburetor. Key thing is that it is a 383.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67

 

[RR Fan Dan]

I called to buy it today and it was sold. Dang. Now I’m looking at a 69 Toronado.

 

[fury fan]

I guess it's a moot point nowas the car is sold, but I started typing this last nite.

That car is NOT a ‘67, it is a ‘66. Normally “PP” is Plymouth Premium, and that would be a VIP model. The engine code “G” would be a 383 2 barrel. That tilt-tele steering is VERY rare too by the way. There are way more knowledgeable people on here that may correct me and ad their wisdom such as @fury fan or @FURYGT but this is what I know.

Sorry, I'm not that knowledgable on VINs and codes, And I thought that G was always 2-barrel in the 66-68 era.
I just looked at the Certicard of the family car from my childhood, which was a '66 Fury II 4 dr sedan with 383-4, and it has G and 62.
And a 2nd card with G and 63. @69CoronetRT - what does 63 mean with a G in a chrysler? Is it the engine I mention below?

I’m now reminded that a 66 300 that I used to own was a G code but was a 383-4 bbl.

65 and 66 are funny years for the 383, as the 300 and some Dodge C-bodies got a 383 4-barrel as std, but with single exh and rated at 315 hp.

 

[69CoronetRT]

I guess it's a moot point nowas the car is sold, but I started typing this last nite.


Sorry, I'm not that knowledgable on VINs and codes, And I thought that G was always 2-barrel in the 66-68 era.
I just looked at the Certicard of the family car from my childhood, which was a '66 Fury II 4 dr sedan with 383-4, and it has G and 62.
And a 2nd card with G and 63. @69CoronetRT - what does 63 mean with a G in a chrysler? Is it the engine I mention below?


65 and 66 are funny years for the 383, as the 300 and some Dodge C-bodies got a 383 4-barrel as std, but with single exh and rated at 315 hp.

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In that context, it means the year and plant at which the car was built. So 62 means 1966 model year (6) and Hamtramck plant (2). 63 = 1966 model year (6) and Jefferson plant (3).

To determine which engine the car received, we still have to look at other factors besides the G in the VIN.

 

[MarkLevi]

and Belvedere plant (2).

Typo - I believe (2) would be Hamtramck; Belvidere was (4)

Regardless - I hope whomever bought it is a member here and will post the broadcast. Hopefully not another flipper as the last seller was.

 

[fury fan]

So 62 is an engine code on teh window sticker, but 62 on the Certicard means something else.
They didn't plan for us to be following this stuff 50 years later, did they?

 

[CBODY67]

Check the cam specs on the 383/315 and you'll probably find the 252/252/.390 cam the 2bbls used. Although the same cam specs were on the original 350 2x4bbl of 1958 Plymouths. Plus, if it matters, the Chrysler 383 4bbls were single exhaust as the similar Plymouths were dual exhaust, with the same engine.

The 256/260 cam arrived with the 440/350 and 440/365 in 1966 and became the "Standard Cam" for 4BBL non-HP engines after that, migrating into the 383 2bbls in 1968.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67

 

[RR Fan Dan]

I hope whomever bought it is a member here

I hope not, because they bought it out from underneath me. LOL

 

[69CoronetRT]

Typo - I believe (2) would be Hamtramck; Belvidere was (4)

Regardless - I hope whomever bought it is a member here and will post the broadcast. Hopefully not another flipper as the last seller was.

Thanks for the correction. Fixed.