PH23 vs PH29

[69monaco]

Me too..................but you can,t always get what you wahant...........

 

[ceebuddy]

FYI the Hardtop Coupe outsold the Formal Hardtop Coupe in all years from 1969 through 1972 with the possible exception of 1971. I can't find all production numbers for 1970 or 1971 but what I found for 70 confirm that the hardtop outsold the formal hardtop even without all production numbers accounted for.

Wait... you are right!

But is it just my impression or are there way more formal hardtops (29) than regular hardtops (23) offered today? And if that is the case, what could be the reason? Could it be the 29 cars have a higher survival rate?

 

[69monaco]

 

[Analog Kid]

Lots of good stuff here.

Thanks guys,

 

[CBODY67]

When new, the paisley package was neat and upscale. Something different than what anybody else offered back then. Just as the Mod Tops A- and B-body cars in the later '60s.

"Formal" meant "upscale" in the orientations back then. The more-squared-off C-pillars were popularized by the '58 T-bird. A little modified in the '70-'71 T-bird 2-dr hardtops and on the Lincoln Marks.

Just something that happened back then.

CBODY67

 

[ceebuddy]

I also think that the roofline of the 1965 (and later) top-of-the-line Chevrolet Caprice two-door hardtop had its share in making this styling perceived as being upscale with car buyers.

 

[Furyman]

My 69 Formal . I think for next year I'm going to put the skirts back on it and steelies with the factory full wheel covers. Goes good for the size....440 with edelbrock heads ,six barrel , TTi headers and exhaust with a 3000 stall and 355's. Sixty nine formal production is under 3000.

 

[Bill Watson]

1969 - 2 door hardtop -
EP-L23 : Fury II - 3,299 (CDN only)
EP-M23 : Fury III - 44,168
EP-H23 : Sport Fury - 14,120
EP-P23: VIP - 4,740

1969 - 2 door formal hardtop -
EP-M29 : Fury III - 22,738
EP-H29 : Sport Fury - 2,169
EP-P29 : VIP - 1,059

1969 - 2 door sedan (formal hardtop)
EP-E21 : Fury I - 4,971
EP-L21 : Fury II - 3,268


1970 - 2 door hardtop -
FP-L23 : Fury II - 2,824 (CDN only)
FP-M23 : Fury III - 21,373
FP-H23 : Sport Fury - 6,663 (includes GT and S/23 models built for Canada)
FP-P23 : Sport Fury S/23 - 689 (USA market)
FP-S23 : Sport Fury GT - 666 (USA market)

1970 - 2 door formal hardtop -
FP-M29 : Fury III - 12,367
FP-H29 : Sport Fury - 5,688

1970 - 2 door sedan (formal hardtop)
FP-E21 : Fury I - 2,353
FP-L21 : Fury II - 21,316 (Includes Fury Gran Coupe package)


1971 - 2 door hardtop -
GP-L23 : Fury II - 7,515
GP-M23 : Fury III - 21,319
GP-H23 : Sport Fury - 3,912
GP-P23 : Sport Fury GT - 375

1971 - 2 door formal hardtop -
GP-M29 : Fury III - 24,465
GP-H29 : Sport Fury - 3,957

1971 - 2 door coupe (hardtop roofline)
GP-E21 : Fury I - 5,152 (Includes Fury Custom package)

 

[Bill Watson]

1972 - 2 door hardtop (Sculptured panel around the rear wheel opening)
HP-M23 : Fury II - 7.515
HP-H23 : Fury III - 21,204
HP-P23 : Gran Coupe - 15,840

1972 - 2 door formal hardtop (Uses 4 door hardtop roofline)
HP-H29 : Fury III - 9,036
HP-P29 : Gran Coupe - 8,509


1973 - 2 door hardtop
JP-M23 : Fury II - 3,176 (CDN market)
JP-H23 : Fury III - 34,963
JP-P23 : Gran Coupe - 18,127

1973 - 2 door formal hardtop - Dropped for 1973
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[1978 NYB]

So....a lot of info in this thread.

So what is more desirable? The 23 or the 29?

Is it just a personal choice?

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

it is personal choice but on 69-71 models the prices for Sports roof (23) are way higher and they sell higher and faster than the formal concave roof (29).

Carsten

 

[mr. fix it]

I thought this thread was about Fram oil filters.
I was looking forward to a good ole' debate on which was better...

 

[rapidtrans]

All depends on which Fury model, color combination, vinyl top or no.
IMO the Sport Top looked good with or without vinyl and in the bright colors. I like the Formal top in vinyl and the darker or richer colors.
In 69 we had a Black over Bright Red Sport Top and a triple Green Formal with vinyl. Both cars looked great.

 

[commando1]

When there is no vinyl, either can be handsome with the right color.

 

[Snotty]

Just as long as your pH stays balanced you'll be OK.

YUK YUK!

 

[mr. fix it]

Just as long as your pH stays balanced you'll be OK.

YUK YUK!

 

[FURYGT]

I thought this thread was about Fram oil filters.
I was looking forward to a good ole' debate on which was better...

FUNNY! The answer is neither. Fram quality is terrible.

 

[Moseman]

View attachment 172639

got two of these!

 

[1978 NYB]

FUNNY! The answer is neither. Fram quality is terrible.

I have seen a Top Fuel Dragstar launch a Fram oil filter like an artillery round many years ago.

 

[Furyman]

EP-H29 : Sport Fury - 2,169

Is that Canada and US ? Any idea how many built/sold in Canada ?. Mine was originally triple green H code built in Windsor.