Seeking opinions on current/future supply/prices 69 300 convertibles or Fuselages

[sauterd]

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Hi all,

At the risk of asking too many questions, I have another for you all. I’m considering selling my recent purchase and look for another 69 300 convertible in the kind of condition below.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrysler-Oth...cks&rmvSB=true



My question is do any of you have a sense that supply/prices have changed that much in nearly 2 years since the example I present?? (my guess would be yes.) Obviously, I realize popularity is up, and overseas popularity as well, which means less cars. Anyway, just curious what you may think on the 300s or Fuselages in general.



Also, I have been tracking the green ’70 on Ebay just out of curiosity and it seems to be doing pretty good (though not as well as the owner would like, since it never makes reserve.) But, considering this one is green, not the most desirable color, makes me think prices are rising substantially (?) Nothing against green, but not really looking for that (or a ’70), but may not be able to be too picky these days.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrysler-30...adc78293:g:U4kAAOSw~bFWJnC8&item=221958865555

Thanks for any insight you guys and gals can offer.
Dale

 

[commando1]

Asking prices have skyrocketed.
I don't believe actual sales have.
A year ago, the daily count on cars for sale on ebay was approximately 72,000 cars.
Today it's way over 100k.
Read a trade journal and it said the actual successful sell through rate on the cars on ebay was 5%
100,000 cars for sale. 5,000 of them might sell. There's 95,000 of them languishing in eternal hell while their sellers think they have gold.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

prices have rosen.
Some cars sold for higher prices.
Some seem to stay like rocks.

This green one belongs to a swiss guy who is living in the US.
He has it for sale, too since years. I think he is asking 40k$ which is definetly too much IMHO even though the car is really nice.

I think a real nice 300 vert can fetch 20k relativly easily

 

[sauterd]

thanks for the feedback, guys.

Dale

 

[sauterd]

Wow, this one sold for a good number back in 2007 it looks like. Of course, it's original TNT car too...

http://www.rmsothebys.com/hf07/vint...hey/lots/1969-chrysler-300-convertible/190027

 

[commando1]

Wow, this one sold for a good number back in 2007 it looks like. Of course, it's original TNT car too...

http://www.rmsothebys.com/hf07/vint...hey/lots/1969-chrysler-300-convertible/190027

2007. Then the bloated, artificially inflated bubble broke.
The next day it was worth half that.
It is only recently that it has started to revover.
Sellers think we leaped back to the future to 07 again. Nope 'Nuther few years to go, yet.

 

[sauterd]

oh yeah, that's right, the big bubble, good point. thanks.

 

[Big_John]

Asking prices have skyrocketed.
I don't believe actual sales have.
A year ago, the daily count on cars for sale on ebay was approximately 72,000 cars.
Today it's way over 100k.
Read a trade journal and it said the actual successful sell through rate on the cars on ebay was 5%
100,000 cars for sale. 5,000 of them might sell. There's 95,000 of them languishing in eternal hell while their sellers think they have gold.

I think that 5% figure is only for the cars that actually sell ON Ebay. Ebay has become a way to advertise your car nationally.

From my own experience, the deals are made off Ebay after contact is made.

 

[commando1]

I think that 5% figure is only for the cars that actually sell ON Ebay. Ebay has become a way to advertise your car nationally.

From my own experience, the deals are made off Ebay after contact is made.

Yes, that was exactly what the article was referring to. I worded it poorly.

 

[Wollfen]

The car you have now Dale is a solid vehicle that doesnt need too much to bring it up to the next level, if you like you can bring it around to my place and I can sit down and give it a good check over and write down the points i think you need to look at or have worked on. Not only to make it more valuable but also enjoy it more.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

actually these are two different things IMHO

There is a bunch of C-Bodys out there that are in decent shape cosmetically.
But I often ran into the problem that they had a big maintenance jam.
Brakes, front end and a lot of other parts needed a lot of work or started failling quickly when you really start to drive the car often.

So it is one thing to have a "nice" car sitting in the garage and another story to have a reliable excellent running car.
Unfortunatly you don't get paid for the excellent running car often.
And the investment usually doesn't pay back.

So a excellent clean 300 vert might catch 20k$ as does the recently maintained one which just got 3k in parts.

 

[bluefury361]

There is a bunch of C-Bodys out there that are in decent shape cosmetically.

Brakes, front end and a lot of other parts could need a lot of work when you really start to drive the car often.

Unfortunatly you don't get paid for the excellent running car often.
And the investment usually doesn't pay back.

Very true. Most car sales are based, in large, on appearance and cosmetic condition of body, interior top, etc.
Unfortunately these areas do not translate to the mechanical aspect of said car.
A complete mechanical restoration/upgrade, IE. engine, trans, axle, brakes, steering, suspension could add upwards of 5K plus to the price of a car. Most old cars, when put into service, will need some aspect of mechanical attention.

I just attribute the cost to maintenance and my return is the pleasure of the use of the vehicle.

 

[sauterd]

thanks, guys, and that's where I kind of am at, whether to sell this one before more mechanical cost comes up, or if a nicer 300 would be available in the next year or so, maybe for that....again, thanks for all of your opinions...much obliged.

Dale

 

[sauterd]

thank so much, Gary, I'd appreciate that, and I appreciate all the info you've given me so far. Still looking forward to seeing your place and the new addition (GT), also, see my last post, which may have been apparent before, but part of what I'm trying to figure out.

"1969 chrysler 300"

The car you have now Dale is a solid vehicle that doesnt need too much to bring it up to the next level, if you like you can bring it around to my place and I can sit down and give it a good check over and write down the points i think you need to look at or have worked on. Not only to make it more valuable but also enjoy it more.View attachment 65730

 

[Big_John]

I paid a little more than the market price for my 300 vert knowing that it had been gone through mechanically. It was being driven regularly by the previous owner and I knew he had done the work correctly. Less than 10k miles on a fresh engine, rebuilt suspension, brakes etc. Except for an alternator, rear springs and a little "sketchy" wiring from other, previous owners, I haven't had to do any repair work to the car.

I have done some other work, like adding the A/C and a better exhaust system, but that's more my OCD kicking in than actually having to do repairs. Cosmetically, I did have the car painted... again, my OCD. The point I'm trying to make is my car could be driven and enjoyed as I bought it.... and I didn't do anything until I had the car for a year.

The problem with cars that look "perfect" is they probably haven't been driven or even maintained.

 

[polara71]

I paid a little more than the market price for my 300 vert knowing that it had been gone through mechanically. It was being driven regularly by the previous owner and I knew he had done the work correctly. Less than 10k miles on a fresh engine, rebuilt suspension, brakes etc. Except for an alternator, rear springs and a little "sketchy" wiring from other, previous owners, I haven't had to do any repair work to the car.

I have done some other work, like adding the A/C and a better exhaust system, but that's more my OCD kicking in than actually having to do repairs. Cosmetically, I did have the car painted... again, my OCD. The point I'm trying to make is my car could be driven and enjoyed as I bought it.... and I didn't do anything until I had the car for a year.

The problem with cars that look "perfect" is they probably haven't been driven or even maintained.

Good point John, my never driven by the previous and original owner convertible left bad dried out seals everywhere. Including bad axle bearings and probably lead to bad rings from starting the engine after long dormancy.

 

[sauterd]

thanks, John, that makes a lot of sense, I don't think mine was driven too often, hence the issues I have. So, got photos of yours? also, just out of curiosity, do these big C bodies end up costing "quite a bit" more for a paint job than say a B body would?
Dale

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

of course the paintjob is more expensive.
You need more material and have more work to prepare it as you got more "size".
Price very inbetween painters but if you ask in one shop that should be their honest answer.

As mentioned before:
Most of my C-Bodies show(ed) problems due to not enough use and maintenance in the past.
Investment is nearly the same no matter if it is a 4-door in green or a 300 convertible in tx9 black

 

[polara71]

I don't know about that Carsten. ...... not really much size difference to be substantial. How much more paint would it take? HE'S not talking metal work, just paint. I need Chris or Will to chime in on this

 

[cantflip]

thanks, John, that makes a lot of sense, I don't think mine was driven too often, hence the issues I have. So, got photos of yours? also, just out of curiosity, do these big C bodies end up costing "quite a bit" more for a paint job than say a B body would?
Dale

Dale, hi I'm Jeff. Very nice car, if I haven't said it before. A couple of thoughts for the current and the potential car. I do mechanical work, so I consider this stuff to be better if I have touched myself because I will know what its true condition is. With a little help and a lot of patience any mechanical issue can be resolved, $ help too. No matter how good the bodywork or paint work you have taken away originality. This is something I personally don't care too much about, especially if its needed repairs. The market place seems to care a great deal more about it though, and if your just trying to get a bit more shine try to find a detailer who really knows their stuff. It will be way cheaper than paint and do nothing but enhance value. If the paint is thin or broken, you have no choice. I don't like to paint anything that is still original and savable because it is very difficult to reseal a body once the original finish is broken. If you think back to cars you knew were painted and in daily service, they often didn't take long to start to show rust at the edges where they didn't get sealed well. Remember how many 1970s mural vehicles would rust in the mural? That was from breaking that seal and not resealing it quickly and properly. Paint costs shouldn't be too different B to C a little more time and materials maybe, but Bs are consider big cars today too.

If you do what you can yourself and find a quality Mechanic to do what you can't... you should be able to make your existing car reliable and fun to use. Restoration businesses are unnecessary for mechanical repairs. Brakes, suspension and such should be straight forward. Carburetors, tune ups and transmissions are better left to someone with experience with that era, or with guidance not so hard to do yourself. Engine work is a big variable... the guys who want to blueprint spend tons of $... the guys who are just freshening spend way less. Unless your racing, mods won't benefit a car like yours very much and could hurt your enjoyment. Reliablity upgrades like newer carbs or ignition are fine, but don't get carried away... lots of these guys like Chrysler's early 70s electronic ignition and Edelbrock carbs for reliability and driveability reasons.

I don't know about gas in your area, but try to find ethanol free stuff and keep driving the car as much as you can even if only a few miles get everything through a warmup cycle and keep the fuel fresh... that will solve lots of problems or at least stop them from reoccurring.