The last Canadian C body / the last Salon

[marko]

What is your plan on fixing the wipers?

i have 2 plans - 1 is to install a regular wiper set up from a 76 new yorker and the other is that i bought a repro cam kit from national moparts which they say is correct for 78s. im not sure.
i will see if it works or not.
its on the way, so i will have to wait and see.
it looks like murray park's other kits except the parts are all the same colour, murray's kits for other years of mopars with the intermittent wipers have diff shades.
hopefully it will work, i hope its not the seller assuming it does.
i have been in touch with murray park several times over the years about the 78 wipers, 6 months ago he said it was in the works. he doesnt list it on his store.
i left a msg about this but havent had a reply yet......
the last pic is murray's ebay store

 

[marko]

The only solution to the wipers is Bob's. I used it on my brother's 78 and it works perfectly. Just like my window motor fix...cheap and easy and stone axe reliable.

Oh, needless to say, great story and a beautiful car.

Another in a long line of great Mopars Mark has had.

tx !
what is bob's solution ? i must have missed that

 

[Dobalovr]

tx !
what is bob's solution ? i must have missed that

Here you go Mark!

1978 NYB wiper woes.

 

[marko]

tx g !

 

[1978 NYB]

Yep, that's the fix.

Then you can use the small bushings that fit on the cam and all the linkage pivots too. You can still get the bushings from any Mopar dealer with the part number on the bag.

 

[71NewYorkMan]

What is your plan on fixing the wipers?

Not to muddy the waters- but I am currently experimenting with the "other" rumored fix using 78-81 B&R body parts mentioned in various posts. I happen to have spares in stock for my Cordoba (including the Murray Park kit). Once I am done, I will prove or dispel this fix with pictures...

 

[71NewYorkMan]

i have 2 plans

FWIW- the parts shown in the photos of your post
#21 will not work with the original '78 NY wiper cam. I have already proven this with my experiments!

 

[LocuMob]

That's a nice car, and a cool story to boot! Congratulations.

 

[1978 NYB]

i have 2 plans - 1 is to install a regular wiper set up from a 76 new yorker and the other is that i bought a repro cam kit from national moparts which they say is correct for 78s. im not sure.
i will see if it works or not.
its on the way, so i will have to wait and see.
it looks like murray park's other kits except the parts are all the same colour, murray's kits for other years of mopars with the intermittent wipers have diff shades.
hopefully it will work, i hope its not the seller assuming it does.
i have been in touch with murray park several times over the years about the 78 wipers, 6 months ago he said it was in the works. he doesnt list it on his store.
i left a msg about this but havent had a reply yet......
the last pic is murray's ebay store

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That orange one won't work. It's for a 79 and up R-body.

 

[1978 NYB]

If someone offers you an OEM or NOS 78 wiper cam I would decline using it. Something is wrong with that plastic from 40 years ago and I guarantee you that the plastic will crumble. I have tried 3 NOS wiper cams and all of them crumbled.

Best bet is to convert to the 74-77 small cam version. And that is a permanent fix.

 

[PeugFra]

It was built / MDH june 13 1978, then sent to ASC and was finally shipped june 26th.

Note the Shipping Order Number is identical to the Vehicle Order Number, bar two inserted C's:

SON: 626-CC-B26040
VON: 626 B26040

Pure coincidence or does the actual shipping date come from some other piece of information?

 

[marko]

Note the Shipping Order Number is identical to the Vehicle Order Number, bar two inserted C's:

SON: 626-CC-B26040
VON: 626 B26040

Pure coincidence or does the actual shipping date come from some other piece of information?

im going to have to let @Dobalovr weigh in on this !
mark

 

[marko]

If someone offers you an OEM or NOS 78 wiper cam I would decline using it. Something is wrong with that plastic from 40 years ago and I guarantee you that the plastic will crumble. I have tried 3 NOS wiper cams and all of them crumbled.

Best bet is to convert to the 74-77 small cam version. And that is a permanent fix.

i will definitely do that, thanks !

 

[71NewYorkMan]

That orange one won't work. It's for a 79 and up R-body.

And 78-79 B-body. Rumored to work on 78 C-bodies with required B-body parts. Hope to confirm/deny this within the next week or so....

 

[Dobalovr]

Based on the fact that this vehicle was ordered in late December or early January 1978 with a PSP date to coincide with the last day of production I am not surprised that the VON and SON are the same. A preferred scheduled production date was a common method of ordering inventory to arrive at designated times of the year. Fleet companies used it mainly but you could apply a PSP date to any order. However the Plant Manager could override the code and build the vehicle when he chose to. In this case it may have had a PSP date of 06-26-78 but the plant built it 06-13-78. Maybe the longer shipping times for Canadian vehicles had something to do with it.

 

[1Fury1]

Absolutely amazing story and beautiful car. My folks lived in Brandon through the 80's where my mom managed the Brandon Gallery shopping mall. They bought a new Dynasty from Binkley Motors.

 

[1978 NYB]

Based on the fact that this vehicle was ordered in late December or early January 1978 with a PSP date to coincide with the last day of production I am not surprised that the VON and SON are the same. A preferred scheduled production date was a common method of ordering inventory to arrive at designated times of the year. Fleet companies used it mainly but you could apply a PSP date to any order. However the Plant Manager could override the code and build the vehicle when he chose to. In this case it may have had a PSP date of 06-26-78 but the plant built it 06-13-78. Maybe the longer shipping times for Canadian vehicles had something to do with it.

Graham, do you think that the original plan was to build cars all the way until the normal production calendar ends. Say July or so but the orders slowed to a trickle at the end so the Plant Manager or whoever makes the production decisions said we are going to consolidate all of the final orders for C-bodies to the week of mid June for final production and then shutdown the line for good and start the new plant setup for the next model of production?

 

[Dobalovr]

Graham, do you think that the original plan was to build cars all the way until the normal production calendar ends. Say July or so but the orders slowed to a trickle at the end so the Plant Manager or whoever makes the production decisions said we are going to consolidate all of the final orders for C-bodies to the week of mid June for final production and then shutdown the line for good and start the new plant setup for the next model of production?

That is entirely possible Bob. The Plant Manager would monitor the line speed and determine how many units would be built each shift. I’ve had orders pushed ahead after sending the Plant Manager an email request or I’ve had orders modified to get built faster at the plant level. Once they are builtout thats the end of production. Buildout is when the factory has enough banked orders to build to the scheduled shutdown. For instance we have now shutdown 2019 orders and the system will start accepting 2020 orders in a week or two. However we often see at the end 2019 orders that have VINs not get built as 2019’s and are built as 2020’s with a new VIN but same VON as the 2019 order.

 

[PeugFra]

Just to understand the terms better (English can be difficult for a foreigner like me):

"build-out" = end of production for a certain model or a certain option on a model
"banked orders" = accumulated orders

If that is correct one can state for the 1978 context: "Chrysler was short on banked orders and they built out early."

 

[LeBaron1973]

Just to understand the terms better (English can be difficult for a foreigner like me):

"build-out" = end of production for a certain model or a certain option on a model
"banked orders" = accumulated orders

If that is correct one can state for the 1978 context: "Chrysler was short on banked orders and they built out early."

You have it correct.