For Sale Very Sad

[polara71]

Where was this flood?

 

[Carmine]

And you guys are going to take the time to do this on what was a 800 car before it got wet? Well then, by every sense of the word, I was wrong.

You missed the part where I said:

If it was something I wanted.

This car, no. Maybe a '71 Q4 SFGT, yes.

Lemme also say this... there is very little organic material in a 70s car, ergo nothing that provides food for mold. I read the article on the GTO and guys are talking about replacing the dash pad, and all kinds of other stuff that is composed of God's own petrochemicals. Powerwasher and bleach (or Carburundum, sp? ) to kill whatever is on the surface. Done.

But no, I wouldn't go through that hassle on a nothing-special car.

 

[Carmine]

Where was this flood?

One would assume TX. But that was 50" of rainwater, so even if some of the coastal waters were involved, I would expect the salt content to be quite diluted.

 

[polara71]

I wouldn't even try. If it were in a flood as Ray said, what was the condition of the water? The seams are already rusting away

 

[amazinblue82]

again, not a debate. just an observation based on my understanding.

my point about mold was based on the organics IN the floodwater that the soft parts absorbed from the floodwater, IF the car got a good soak (like 4-8+ hours submerged), would permeate ANYTHING that absorbed that water.

plus, even a light soak (2-3 hours), and depending on when it got dried out (e.g, it stayed wet for 2-3+ days, plenty long enough for mold to start growing), whatever organics (dead skin, dirt, hair, dog poop, whatever) were already there IN the car, because the car is 40 years old, are in that toxic stew too.

i leave out the e-coli, tyhoid, and any other gut-bacteria or other viral/bacterial specimens in fecal matter and you-name-it pesticides.. yuk .. thats deep in those soft parts now.

all that to say, i too am sad we might lose this C. if parts are what its good for now, so be it. Other cars can live because of it perhaps?

 

[rapidtrans]

I looked at a Katrina flood car someone brought up to Mi. to sell.
As soon as i got out of my car i could smell that thing. From 30ft away it smelled like a fish processing plant. Closer inspection showed the aluminum wheels to be completely/evenly corroded. Can't imagine what corrosion was hidden. When i opened a door the mildew smell nearly knocked me on me over.
Trying to clean that thing was way beyond me!

 

[polara71]

NOt if thats a flood car, parts at best

You missed the part where I said:



This car, no. Maybe a '71 Q4 SFGT, yes.

Lemme also say this... there is very little organic material in a 70s car, ergo nothing that provides food for mold. I read the article on the GTO and guys are talking about replacing the dash pad, and all kinds of other stuff that is composed of God's own petrochemicals. Powerwasher and bleach (or Carburundum, sp? ) to kill whatever is on the surface. Done.

But no, I wouldn't go through that hassle on a nothing-special car.

I was questioning the disagreement where I said not if thats a flood car parts car at best ......

See my curiosity ?

 

[Carmine]

again, not a debate. just an observation based on my understanding.

my point about mold was based on the organics IN the floodwater that the soft parts absorbed from the floodwater, IF the car got a good soak (like 4-8+ hours submerged), would permeate ANYTHING that absorbed that water.

plus, even a light soak (2-3 hours), and depending on when it got dried out (e.g, it stayed wet for 2-3+ days, plenty long enough for mold to start growing), whatever organics (dead skin, dirt, hair, dog poop, whatever) were already there IN the car, because the car is 40 years old, are in that toxic stew too.

i leave out the e-coli, tyhoid, and any other gut-bacteria or other viral/bacterial specimens in fecal matter and you-name-it pesticides.. yuk .. thats deep in those soft parts now.

all that to say, i too am sad we might lose this C. if parts are what its good for now, so be it. Other cars can live because of it perhaps?

Inorganic means no food for mold. Even if the ecoli was there, it dies without food. And so would the smell or "danger". I can think of two places that would be mold habitats, the shoddy under the carpet and above the headliner. Both of those could produce a lot of stink. But the good news is, both are easilly replaced. Door panels use a fiberboard back, but I think a kiddie-pool bleach soak would cure that, they aren't very porous.

Regarding the salt... the winter salt spray we northerners deal with can be every bit as invasive. It becomes a "fog". That's how I've seen pot metal corrode on 40 old AZ cars that were mint before coming here, and have never been driven in winter. It's just in the atmophere. I'd deal with it the same way, fill the seams with oil until they seep.

 

[polara71]

I wish I had saved some photos of Superstorm Sandy cars . . .

 

[amazinblue82]

Inorganic means no food for mold. Even if the ecoli was there, it dies without food. And so would the smell or "danger". I can think of two places that would be mold habitats, the shoddy under the carpet and above the headliner. Both of those could produce a lot of stink. But the good news is, both are easilly replaced. Door panels use a fiberboard back, but I think a kiddie-pool bleach soak would cure that, they aren't very porous.

Regarding the salt... the winter salt spray we northerners deal with can be every bit as invasive. It becomes a "fog". That's how I've seen pot metal corrode on 40 old AZ cars that were mint before coming here, and have never been driven in winter. It's just in the atmophere. I'd deal with it the same way, fill the seams with oil until they seep.

carmine, i just can't get into a debate on this mold point or any other view here on this one.

As do you as well, I also know the difference between inorganic and organic chemistry, and "INorganic" is nowhere in my previous posts in this thread regarding the car. Its all about the carbon.

Molds can and do grow ON inorganic materials by drawing sustenance from another source, most likely something organic ON the surface of that inorganic material.

Thanks tho for your insights tho as to how THIS car might be remediated if one were gonna try it. I only had two cents to spend here, so I'm done on this one

 

[Carmine]

Well let's just say it comes down to a tolerence level for "ick". Obviously some people don't want to deal with it, that's why the prices are low... although I just looked at some old-car flood auctions on co-part myself and was surprised at how high they'd gone. Thus the red RR's and GTO's will likely see the road again and the brown C-bodies will be parts.

Just like normal.

 

[rapidtrans]

If it’s a “flood car” and insurance claim was filed doesn’t that vehicle get titled as such permanently?

 

[Furyman]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM, headlight washers..........

 

[polara71]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM, headlight washers..........

They needed a turbo mode apparently

 

[Wollfen]

At the end of the day its just a four door small block car with nothing much else to make it special. No one was going to spend any big money on this car when it was in good condition. Even I who takes on some pretty big projects would pass on this unless I got it cheap, then I would part it anyway.

 

[cantflip]

I suspect most would have thought it a parts car prior to the flood. The thing that I am curious about, is I do not see evidence of a water line in the interior... there should be a clear water line and mud on the floor mat if the seats were flood damage.

If the seats got to soak up an above ground septic tank mix... they would be trash. But they look more like a lot of sitting dirt that got damp. I would bet the Copart folks slap the flood/biohazard label on stuff just to CYA after the Katrina cars publicity.

BTW I still have a few Katrina cars at work... we got a couple truck loads, most of which had to scraped. A few were parted to repair the survivors, but too much variety to part much. The ones kept were not as bad as you might think. 2 I know of were in Key West and the salt water was enough to hydrolock the engine, but the vehicle would fool you even if on a lift. The worst one I had to replace the steering rack a couple of years ago... it had corroded the aluminum housing. The bolts still wrenched free without serious drama.

The stinky ones were not considered for use.

Note the runner type floor mat condition, and the dirty door panels without a line.

 

[Leeinri]

Gut it, power wash it with bleach and water mix and put a new interior in it. If the moron that owned it would have pulled everything out and let it dry in the sun it probably would have been fine. Unless it is sewer water! In that case you would have to replace the entire interior but the car is far from mortally wounded just because it got wet! Hell, I used to wash the interior of my power wagon with a garden hose then let it dry in the sun on a hot day.

 

[polara71]

It was a wreck before it got wet

 

[MrMoparCHP]

How is this different than a car that has been sitting in a field for 30 years, some of us have restored worse.

Key here is to dry it out, replace all soft trim.

There are plugs at the front of the rocker and a few holes could be drilled.

Pull the engine, trans, rear, open and go through.

Depending on the water line, depends on the work, everything from minimal to a total tear down.


Alan

 

[Carmine]

One of you guys find me a SFGT from the flood. I'll document the resto and drive around in it while nekkid and eating a burger.

Btw, you did see the rat carcasses in my '73 Polara, right?

Mmmmmmm