What's it worth? 1970 Fury S23

[70NPORT]

Oh boy here we go. Carsten to the rescue.

 

[furyfinn]

I don't care were somebody lives, what his religion is or whatever. To me it is important that he is an honest guy sharing the same passion for old Mopars.

Carsten

Hear hear! ccasion14:

 

[pentacar]

I would really like to buy that car, so please pm me and post some more pics , here are some pics of my s23 resto, with factory gator grain top. still not done

 

[pentacar]

 

[polara71]

I would like it too but my garage is full of fulfillment

 

[tallhair]

I would like it too but my garage is full of fulfillment

An FK5 71 S-23 hardtop Fury would look so good with the other two convert FK5's Dave

 

[polara71]

An FK5 71 S-23 hardtop Fury would look so good with the other two convert FK5's Dave

The S23 is a 1970 but you couldnt be more right about how it would look with the other k5 cousins

 

[Stormer]

Oh boy here we go. Carsten to the rescue.

As usual, I also agree with Carsten.

 

[saforwardlook]

That FK5 70 S23 is a really beautiful car - well done and the black vinyl roof on it really compliments the body color nicely. Nice work!

 

[tbm3fan]

Hey guys, the "collector Car Value Guide" is just that....... a GUIDE. You have to add common sense.
If the car was not available with a 440 or a 4 speed..... don't add 10%. it's easy.

I use it because it seems to be the guide most in tune with current market prices. If your selling then use the inflated hagerty guide. And NADA should just stick to used cars.

I also use it for getting a decent idea on values. If the car has an option listed at such a percentage I pay attention and if not I just ignore. No harm, no foul. Agree about NADA because it is listing dealer retail for used cars and does not apply to anything prior to 1994.

As to this car it clearly states a #1 car is a recent professionally restored car and so these are rarely seen except at auctions. #2 is a restored car several years after the work was done. I get their magazine and from the more numerous pictures and articles in it you can get a good idea of what each grade is. This Fury falls into a strong 3+ to a 2- and no more than that based on all the cars I have seen in the magazine for the last 5 years.

 

[69monaco]

I am sorry but I get mad when I read the bullshit from the "collector car market review guys".
There list with percentages has two major mistakes.
No 440s were installed in the S23, the biggest engine available was the 383-4. Only the big brother, the Sport Fury GT, got the 440 engine (as 4bbl and 6bbl)
No 4-speeds were bulit at all (so there are not 5% of those built with a 4-speed)

Value is hard to find out. haven't seen an S23 on the market in the last couple of years. At least not a a decent one.
There was a ER6 red one in Illinois at Country classics, also a 383-4 car with buckets and console, black V-top and interieur.
Mechanically redone they asked 10k$ for it. Looked solid but front seats was ripped and paint faded.

There was a more or less rough sunfire yellow project in Florida about 1,5 years ago, 383 car, priced at 2.500$. Ran but needed lots of work

I remember a B5 blue one with a white roof and blue interieur, attractive colour combo. Was an SB car but was converted to a built BB. Technically slightly hot rodded. Cosmetically nice (paint etc). Was priced at 12k$

Carsten

Hey Carsten , that red one was sold for about $8500,-.
The new owner is from Germany ( Rosstock area ).
His friend bought my 69 polara 500.
When he told me that he bought a red S23 a year ago i said aahhh the one from Country classics he was very suprised i knew the car.
They bought the red S23 and drove it to Florida for shipping..........nice testdrive!

 

[patrick66]

NADA does have a "classic car" valuation section here: http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars

When it all comes to the push and shove, what a seller and a buyer agree to IS what the car is worth at that moment. A guide is exactly that - a guide!

 

[Beep Beep Dave]

I am sorry but I get mad when I read the bullshit from the "collector car market review guys".
There list with percentages has two major mistakes.
No 440s were installed in the S23, the biggest engine available was the 383-4. Only the big brother, the Sport Fury GT, got the 440 engine (as 4bbl and 6bbl)
No 4-speeds were bulit at all (so there are not 5% of those built with a 4-speed)

Value is hard to find out. haven't seen an S23 on the market in the last couple of years. At least not a a decent one.
There was a ER6 red one in Illinois at Country classics, also a 383-4 car with buckets and console, black V-top and interieur.
Mechanically redone they asked 10k$ for it. Looked solid but front seats was ripped and paint faded.

There was a more or less rough sunfire yellow project in Florida about 1,5 years ago, 383 car, priced at 2.500$. Ran but needed lots of work

I remember a B5 blue one with a white roof and blue interieur, attractive colour combo. Was an SB car but was converted to a built BB. Technically slightly hot rodded. Cosmetically nice (paint etc). Was priced at 12k$

Carsten

That is spot on. There was a S/23 at Carlisle roughly 10 years ago, 383 car, Tor Red with a black vinyl roof. I remember the car being in great shape but I didn't go over it too closely as the asking price was $20k+ I thought that was rather optimistic but it was a good looking car.

I will try and find the pics to share.

 

[Beep Beep Dave]

Hi, a friend of mine is looking into possibly selling his Fury. It was his mother's car, she bought it new in 1970 and it has stayed in the family and been stored inside most of its life. It's a 383-4 automatic car, buckets with column shift and buddy seat. It had new paint and a mechanical restoration in '97 and has been driven very little since then. One thing that was missed was rust in the tank, which will be replaced and have new lines before it goes up for sale.

I've tried to help him determine what he should ask for the car once he's ready to sell, but there's so little real world market info on this model. Anyone care to chime in on a ballpark range for this car? Condition wise I would call it a strong #2, some slight wear on the original interior making it not quite nice enough to be considered a #1.

Here it is returning home from the resto. I'll try to get some more pics if anyone is interested in seeing them.

What colour is the interior....black or burnt orange?

Dave

 

[polara71]

I have photos of that S23.... it was in the coral for several years in a row. It wasn't over the top when priced at Carlisle. I remember the banter of the internet pricing....

 

[tbm3fan]

NADA does have a "classic car" valuation section here: http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars

When it all comes to the push and shove, what a seller and a buyer agree to IS what the car is worth at that moment. A guide is exactly that - a guide!

Their classic page also looks to be dealer retail. It tells me that my 1968 Cougar 2dr hardtop has a high retail of $45,000. No way in hell. My car in #1 wouldn't clear $20,000 and that is where Collector Car estimates it to be. On the other hand it has my 68 Mustang 2dr. hardtop at $24,000 while Collector Car has it $1000 more than the Cougar. That agrees pretty much with the general trend that a standard Mustang tops a standard Cougar despite the Cougar being less common. Last it says high retail for my F100 is $28,000. I wish. The only car that was not out of this world was the Polara's high retail of $6500.

 

[Beep Beep Dave]

I have photos of that S23.... it was in the coral for several years in a row. It wasn't over the top when priced at Carlisle. I remember the banter of the internet pricing....

Not the best pic but this is from 2004 at Carlisle...I vaguely remember it priced in the high 20's...

Dave

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

factory EV2 orange car was later owned by Randy Wilson from Glendale, AZ.
He sold it again around 2008 asking mid 20s for it

 

[Beep Beep Dave]

I thought I had more pics, as I remember taking pics of the info sheet on the windshield but I couldn't find it on my computer.

Dave

 

[polara71]

I have got photos of it in a garage. I have some hard pictures of it somewhere in a photo album.
N code, power windows, tilt, cruise, am/8 track.... Sweet car.

If I were a Fury guy I would have owned it 15 years ago