Where would a guy find this info?

[dberggren]

Where would a guy find out exactly how many cars were built based on the options it was born with?

For example, our 71 GTX, early 440(375hp), auto, its Dark Sherwood green, black interior, PS, MDB (now power disk) 440 callouts on the hood in black, and the black stripe across the hood thats kind of reflective and the strips inside of the engine callout cutouts, no chin spoiler, no rear spoiler, no stripe on the C pillar.

Ive never seen another exactly like it, and with only 2,211 total Xs shipped in 71, there couldnt have been very many built that way to begin with, and even fewer left today. Its a pretty rare car to begin with, and if its 1/10?? built that way, prices go up, or if its 1/1, that determines how we go forward with the car. IMHO a 1/1 car needs to be restored to 100% correct, done by a professional that knows what that entails. The car is a survivor and 100% original body wise and at least 99% rust free. We are the second owners, Dad bought it in 72 from his good friend who bought it for himself as a high school graduation present. It was sold at the Mopar dealership in our hometown of 2200 people, and is still in business, but doesnt sell cars anymore.

Ive been on the hunt for this information for years, Id love any and all help you guys could give.

 

[detmatt]

I'm afraid 2,211 is going to be the best you can do. Any records that break it down any further are long gone. The best you can do is scour the registries and see how many have been accounted for and if their options are detailed out within those registries. At best it'll be based on averages.

 

[300rag]

I agree with detmatt. If broken down far enough in the option list, most cars of the era were 1of1.

 

[detmatt]

My brother has a '67 Mustang convertible that's red on red with a white top and a V8, how many of those do you think there were??? His Marty report came back as 1 of 1...

 

[dberggren]

My brother has a '67 Mustang convertible that's red on red with a white top and a V8, how many of those do you think there were??? His Marty report came back as 1 of 1...

Then I would say thats a shitty report lol, I was just wondering if there was someplace that someone had compiled all of Ma Mopars data. Even just down to the paint and interior combo would be alright, Sherwood green wasnt all that popular compared to the High Impact colors. I figured since 2211 was a pretty low production number that eventually someday theyre gonna start bringing the bigger bucks and a 1/1 would be the cream of the crop.

 

[Big_John]

The story is there was a fire in the file room... No wait... an executive ordered destruction of old files.... No wait... The files were stolen and still exist in someone's basement... No wait....

Long story short... files for the cars in the late sixties and the seventies are long gone.

 

[commando1]

Why isn't "not many" ever good enough for people??
I had a 1962 Rambler Classic Station Wagon in 1965. Never saw another one exactly like it. Must have been rare. Anybody know how many mint green with green interiors were built?

 

[Dobalovr]

Why isn't "not many" ever good enough for people??
I had a 1962 Rambler Classic Station Wagon in 1965. Never saw another one exactly like it. Must have been rare. Anybody know how many mint green with green interiors were built?

Oooh oooh oooh I know...At least 1?

 

[1978 NYB]

I inquired twice about what, when, color, engine, etc, of the last C-Body produced. Chrysler Historical couldn't tell me anything....not even the day or month the last C was produced. Very disappointing to say the least!

 

[69CoronetRT]

Where would a guy find out exactly how many cars were built based on the options it was born with?

For example, our 71 GTX, early 440(375hp), auto, its Dark Sherwood green, black interior, PS, MDB (now power disk) 440 callouts on the hood in black, and the black stripe across the hood thats kind of reflective and the strips inside of the engine callout cutouts, no chin spoiler, no rear spoiler, no stripe on the C pillar.

First, when you consider how many options were available, the number of exterior colors and the number of interior color combinations, plus stripes, transmissions, etc, etc, etc the number of possible combinations exceeds the number built. So, don't get too hung up on the one of one thing. It is far harder to find two cars exactly alike than it is a car that is unique.

Second, some of the information you seek IS available. The factory did run reports showing the breakouts of various options and combinations. These are known as Options and Accessories (O&A) reports. They were printed on old style large sheet computer paper. Many of these still exist.

For all his current faults, at one time Galen did a great favor to the hobby by condensing the info into a much easier to read format. The reports are for sale through GTS. The 71 GTX Q&A report was published at one time. I have a copy of the 1991 version. I'm reasonably sure it has been updated and, probably, available through GG. Reports are not available for all years, makes and models.

The records that are in question are the production records from 67 and later. (think IBM cards for pre 68 cars) Many stories have been told about the flood, the fire, and other such disasters. I've also heard more recently that the original large reel computer tapes still exist but no one has a way to retrieve the data. The machines, or operators, just do not exist any more.


The numbers are for US sold cars only. As the numbers are based on percentages, there is a certain amount of fudge factor meaning they numbers are NOT absolute. It is proper to say "About", "Around" or "Approximately" when the numbers are used. Do not present them as absolute, hard, exact numbers.

You CANNOT combine percentatges to derive a smaller number. (X% of cars with PS times X% of cars with automatic) It's flawed mathematics. The numbers do not work that way.

For 1971 GTXs:

~2,703 shipped for sale in the US
~ 2,211 440-4bbl automatics
~ 12.5% or 338 cars with B11/B51 power drum
~ 89.7% or 2,425 with PS
~ 15.4% or 416 with V8* transverse stripe
~9.9 % of ALL 71 Satellite based cars (Satellites, RRs SSP and GTXs) were GF7

Recent editions of the post 1969 O&A reports contain more info like a breakdown of interiors. I would encourage to you contact GG to get a copy of the most current report.

Factory O&A report

 

[amazinblue82]

Then I would say thats a shitty report lol, I was just wondering if there was someplace that someone had compiled all of Ma Mopars data. Even just down to the paint and interior combo would be alright, Sherwood green wasnt all that popular compared to the High Impact colors. I figured since 2211 was a pretty low production number that eventually someday theyre gonna start bringing the bigger bucks and a 1/1 would be the cream of the crop.

Kevin Marti has THE production records FROM Ford under license, in sufficient detail that (unless he makes a mistake/error in the underlying factory data/etc), if Marti said "one of one" for a given car that's highly likely to be correct.

anyway. post #10 from 69CoronetRT gets ya on the right track. good luck dberggren.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Kevin Marti has THE production records FROM Ford under license, in sufficient detail that (unless he makes a mistake/error in the underlying factory data/etc), if Marti said "one of one" for a given car that's highly likely to be correct.

Totally agree. Marti reports are well documented and credible.

Barring fleet, promo or package cars, most ordered or sales bank cars are one of one when broken down so far. "One of One" is, generally, interesting and totally meaningless.

 

[polara71]

Thank You Doug. Kevin and Bill, two very wise men on our board have all these numbers. Unfortunately they post so little.

 

[dberggren]

Why isn't "not many" ever good enough for people??
I had a 1962 Rambler Classic Station Wagon in 1965. Never saw another one exactly like it. Must have been rare. Anybody know how many mint green with green interiors were built?

I dont know, but when you start talking rare cars, 1/1 usually is the difference between a mid 5 figure car, and a 6 figure car. And for me at least, it would be the difference between a good driver restoration, and a full on 100 point one. I never said another one didnt exist like it, but I was just curious as just how many, so when someone asks, I can say "its one of 10 built like it" instead of "I dunno, not many"

As to how many of your Rambler wagons, I cant help you, but I hear a guy named Joe Dirt has a list of all the Rambler wagons that were sold in Lousiana lol

 

[polara71]

 

[dberggren]

Thanks for the information 69coronetRT, thats more than Ive ever found before. Its better than "not many". I knew that sort of info HAD to exist somewhere.

I was just asking a question to satisfy my own inquiring mind, didnt mean to get everyones panties in a bunch, if you dont like it, you didnt have to comment. Now Ill go start stripping a pristine 72 Imperial for a derby car just to spite yall bahahaha

 

[commando1]

Now what?

 

[polara71]

I dont know, but when you start talking rare cars, 1/1 usually is the difference between a mid 5 figure car, and a 6 figure car. And for me at least, it would be the difference between a good driver restoration, and a full on 100 point one. I never said another one didnt exist like it, but I was just curious as just how many, so when someone asks, I can say "its one of 10 built like it" instead of "I dunno, not many"

As to how many of your Rambler wagons, I cant help you, but I hear a guy named Joe Dirt has a list of all the Rambler wagons that were sold in Lousiana lol

" Now what? "


This guy is an idiot ..... he comes to a C body board asking stupid flipper B body questions and has the nerve to think were uptight .

 

[69CoronetRT]

..."I dunno, not many

But that is the honest and only answer. YOU will never know the exact numbers so why try to pretend you do? I find that answer shortens a lot of conversations with people I really don't want to talk with in the first place.

 

[bluefury361]

He seems to have gotten caught up in the "what's it worth" syndrome instead of accepting that it is just a nice car. It's a B/E body thing more so then a C body thing. Here, we just like the cars for what they are and not so much for what their worth.
To me a 71 GTX would be a good donor car for a C body.