Wholesaler closeout steering box at Rock Auto.

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I wasn't sure where to post this. I was looking through steering boxes on Rock Auto when I found this in the listings. Seems cheap enough to take the risk.
wholesaler closeout on power steering box.
It looks like a Lares new steering box, but I don't know if they are just showing wrong pictures or if Cardone bought a bunch of the Lares units and now wants to unload.

 
Is that what commonly called the "Saginaw" box?

The same one that is custom modified and supplied by Borgsen?

The same one that you might have to cut your column shaft and use an adapter because the wormgear shaft on the box is too long?
 
No. the Borgesen is a different steering box.
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No. the Borgesen is a different steering box.

The box in your picture (on the left) is the original-style box (not sure if that has a name, is it known as just the "Chrysler" box?
Neither one (in your picture) is what is offered for sale on rock (for $90 CAD, no core charge) but ok so it's not the Borgsen unit.

For anyone considering that unit, I'd double-check the pitman arm shaft diameter. Some are 1 1/8 inch, others are 1 1/4 inch. Although, given that 1 1/4 inch C-body pitman arms are practically impossible to find (or insanely expensive) maybe the 1 1/8 inch route is do-able?
 
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What are we thinking this one is for? I've put A body ones on c body stubs so I know they fit but for 63 bucks I'll buy one for the Shelf
 
The photo of the sale is a brand new box, it was originally offered from the Lares company. But I am not sure if Cardone or Rock auto are just posting photos of the Lares unit or that the box is infact the new steering box that was originally from Lares. I looked around and it looks like if you want a new steering box you will get the new style from many reseller part stores.
 
The Lares 11031 ($390) and the CARDONE 27654 ($63) and the CARDONE 976542GB ($345) all look to be the same unit. Which I still say is a "Saginaw" unit unless someone knows it by a different / correct name.

The BBB INDUSTRIES 5020106 ($200 + core) and LARES 1031 ($342 + core) look to be the original style "Chrysler" box. Note that they still want to get the old cores back for these, as only these units have a core charge ($50 for BBS and $250 (!) for Lares).

 
Cardone 27-6542 has a 1-1/4" sector shaft. The image shown on Rock Auto is the same as the image shown on Cardone's site. The number apparently was used for an actual Chrysler steering gear in the past.

It does look like the Lares 11031.

If purchasing, use Rock Auto's discount code to save a bit more: 287597108234641123
 
Well, it appears to fit my 72 New Yorker, 75 Dart and 87 5TH AVE cars that I'm going to keep and run into the ground over the next few decades.
So, incoming.
I'll disassemble it and make all the needed adjustments. As usual.
I bet it's a rebuilt return. Set up firm feel?
 
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Thanks for the heads up, I think I just ordered the last one. The steering box is the last major leak on the car right now, so that was already on next summer's list.
 
Well, it appears to fit my 72 New Yorker, 75 Dart and 87 5TH AVE cars that I'm going to keep and run into the ground over the next few decades.
So, incoming.
I'll disassemble it and make all the needed adjustments. As usual.
I bet it's a rebuilt return. Set up firm feel?

The steering gear box arrived yesterday. I ordered it three days ago. It appears to be as advertised.
It was $100 delivered with tax, no core charge.
Hope everyone that wanted one got one.
Now its $95 with a $115 core charge plus shipping.
 
My order is on the way, shows that it is in Illinois. How was the shipping box condition, I have bad experiences with heavyish orders and UPS in the past, broken open, parts missing scattered. Etc.
What style box arrived? The one in photo or a factory box rebuilt?
Thanks.
 
My order is on the way, shows that it is in Illinois. How was the shipping box condition, I have bad experiences with heavyish orders and UPS in the past, broken open, parts missing scattered. Etc.
What style box arrived? The one in photo or a factory box rebuilt?
Thanks.

Typical Rock Auto no name double boxed. Good condition. 38 pounds.
 
I ordered and received one of these. It is a new, never mounted unit, but it might not be made by Lares. It looks similar. It was shipped by FedEx (which in itself can be an issue) inside its original box, sitting inside a RockAuto box, with some plastic air pillows as packing. These pillows were mostly popped by the the 38 pound part banging around inside. The outer box bottom was breaking loose. The inner, original box was really beat, apparently much before it took its latest trip.
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The box has a Cardone sticker, over another brand label. The sticker is under clear tape. It looks like it shows "GEM" on the underlying label. Part number listed is 27-6542.

The box contained fittings, o-rings, and some paperwork (which references the Chrysler gear):
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Following are two images showing the unit next to my original T/A steering gear with its fast ratio pitman arm from one of my T/A Challengers.
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The output shaft is 1.25" and shows signs of heat treating. The input shaft does have a master spline. The unit is filled with power steering fluid. It is physically smaller overall. Roughly measured, the mounting holes placement appears correct. However, the height of the input shaft placement it lower than the original steering gear. A quick tape measurement from a mounting hole to level of the input shaft is about 1" difference in the column to shaft mounting to insert the roll pin. There is not enough play in the factory coupler to accommodate one inch, although some are longer than others. Extending the collapsible inner shaft on 1970-later applications might make up the difference. A swapped longer inner shaft or extending the original shaft with a welded sleeve would work. For cars with the additional rubber coupler, an extension could be made there. A direct input shaft splined extension might be available. Note that it would be different from the Chrysler power steering to manual steering adapter/extension. The Bergman Auto Craft Direct-Fit Steering Box Coupler might work.
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The return fitting extends straight, like some late model steering gears, instead of angled, and is for a 3/8" hose as used with 1968 and later. The pressure hose fitting is intended for the 1975 and later style, but the earlier style fitting can be swapped. However, the threads from mine were too long and bottomed out. A thicker or an added copper sealing ring could correct it. The included fitting did not have a sealing ring for it, but should have a copper sealing ring or similar.
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The tag on the unit has a part number of 10300022 and an apparent serial number. Some checking shows that this number falls under a more broadly used number of 82-00475AN. It could be Lares, it's not Saginaw, and it's labeled as "GEM" masquerading as Cardone, but the actual manufacture is unclear, but several sources quote BuyAutoParts as the maker, although that looks more like a distributor at website buyautoparts.com. I didn't see a marking on the unit, but on its box, it lists county of origin (C.O.O.) as Mexico. It's for sale on ebay, Amazon, Walmart, buyautoparts.com, among others. It's listed to fit all applications that a Chrysler 1.25" shaft unit fits, IE. 1973-1989 all, B-van, and 1972 prior C-bodies. It's odd that it seems this close, but with the input shaft placement which is shorter than the stock Chrysler unit. Some reviews mention the need to modify the steering input shaft or elongate a mounting hole. 82-00475AN has been mentioned in a few threads here on FCBO without any definite outcome as to details of its performance, fit, etc.

It looks like a viable alternative to a factory steering gear, but its pedigree, true fit, performance, and reliability, is mostly unknown. I'm not sure where I will use it. It looks like four years ago it was closer to $600 than $60.
 
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Yep, that's what came in the mail. I knew going in that it would be a make it fit deal.
For 72 C body, 75 A body and 87 M body here., some day.

And now it's $100.
 
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