A 45 year old GM Time Capsule

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Hey Gents!

A buddy and myself were lucky enough to come across a once in a life-time barn find. Well, not really in a barn, but in a San Francisco, California GARAGE!. Unfortunately for this forum it's NOT a Mopar... but a GM - a 1965 Cadillac Coupe deVille with 18,720 ORIGINAL MILES!
THIS IS A STORED (45 years), UNRESTORED TIME CAPSULE IN IMMACULATE CONDITION!

Just to give you a sneak peak at how GREAT condition this find is in we pulled the gas tank thinking it would be all gunked up and we'd have to replace it along with the sending unit etc... BUT, to our utter amazement the interior of the tank looked brand spanking new! We're thinking it must have been the LEADED GAS in the tank that preserved it. Have you ever seen this... the gas was actually RED! Probably 105 Octane back in 1971 when the car was last driven.

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Now that the wagon is completed I have a new toy to play with :)
 
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If that gas is truly 1971 vintage... I would guess the color is just varnish... There is probably still enough in there to kill your first fuel filter pretty quick, but ethanol content fuel will clean it up quickly. It is also perfectly normal if the car hasn't been through a million fillups without lead, to still see a lead coating in the tank... it may never go away... but the ethanol content fuels aren't just the newer stuff... prior to 10% or less rule there was lots around without labels at the pumps. My guess is you lucked out because they didn't run all the crappy fuels we have had over the decades through there.
 
If that gas is truly 1971 vintage... I would guess the color is just varnish... There is probably still enough in there to kill your first fuel filter pretty quick, but ethanol content fuel will clean it up quickly. It is also perfectly normal if the car hasn't been through a million fillups without lead, to still see a lead coating in the tank... it may never go away... but the ethanol content fuels aren't just the newer stuff... prior to 10% or less rule there was lots around without labels at the pumps. My guess is you lucked out because they didn't run all the crappy fuels we have had over the decades through there.
Really couldn't detect any smell at all. Not even a hint of a gasoline or varnish scent. Some spilled on the floor and it evaporated almost immediately, not sticky.
 
Really couldn't detect any smell at all. Not even a hint of a gasoline or varnish scent. Some spilled on the floor and it evaporated almost immediately, not sticky.
If its still that volatile, It isn't from 71... or some other solvent was dumped in like acetone to clean it up... dyes have been used in fuels for a very long time, they used to be a way for petroleum companies to ID products, back in the 80s early 90s I remember Exxon using a red dye in their premium, I think it was part of their injector cleaner additive. Early 90's federal law required those additives in all grades and the dye went away. I dont know when the different dyes were mandatory for restricted fuels or what the colors are... AVgas has a dye I think... but I never felt the need to go get any.
 
Thanks for the write up on the projects here! The disc brake conversion is what I plan to do in the future. Great stuff!

I wonder if the red fuel had Marvel Mystery Oil added to it? it is read in colour and has great benefits to the fuel system of these old cars.

That could very well be as the owner was a mechanic, parts person and service writer for Cadillac. There's a very interesting story behind this car -

The original owner purchased the car from Kohlenberg Cadillac in 1965. In 1970 he had the car towed to the dealership to find out what the problem was. An inspection was made and he was informed the water hose had sprung a leak and the car ran out of water which essentially destroyed the engine. The owner inquired how much the repair would cost and he was given a quote of $2,000. Seeing that the repair was basically 1/3 the price of the car he decided to trade it in and apply the $2,000 he would have paid for the repair towards a new caddy.

John, the owner of the car whom we purchased the car from worked for the dealership. He purchased the car, had the complete engine replaced, drove it home and there it sat for the next 43 years (1970 - 2013). John passed away in 1993. Ten years later in 2013 Geri (wife) decided to sell the house. She wanted to keep the car, but had no where to store it. John & Geri's good friend Craig who owned and operated a mechanics shop offered to store the car at his shop for Geri. Knowing the car would be left un-driven Craig got a car cover for it and put the car up on stands where it still rests today.

My buddy Paul who has been friends with Craig for the past 30 years had known about the car since it was towed to the shop and on occasion asked Craig whether the owner was interested in selling it. Geri obviously wanted to keep the car for sentimental reasons. Unfortunately Craig lost the lease to his shop and will be closing its doors. Since he will no longer be able to store the car, Craig asked Geri what her intensions were for it. He mentioned that if she wanted to sell it a good friend of his was interested. Having lost the storage place for the car Geri felt it was time to let it go and said since Paul was a good friend of Craigs she would let it go and along with it at a good price.... Actually is was GREAT PRICE! I can't say how much - just lets say we got a steal on it. In fact parts to do the upgrades to my wagon cost more than what we got the car for.

John, the owner worked for Kohlenberg as a mechanic, then parts manager and finally as service writer when he bought the car so you have to know he got the car with a new engine cheap... it's anyones guess, but I'd say he got it for A SONG!

When we asked Geri (wife) why John never drove the car once he brought it home from the dealership she said she couldn't understand it herself. Geri said John had a bunch of other cars and the Caddy was just another one he added to his stable. One hard to fathom fact is that the NEW engine can't have more than 10 miles on it being John drove it straight from the dealership to his house and there it sat for the next 43 years. Being a mechanic I'm sure John took some preventative measures knowing he wouldn't be driving so perhaps the Marvel Mystery Oil idea may not be such a Mystery now would it mr. fix it!

What's also quite mind boggling is how soft the rubber still is on the original tires. As a matter of fact you can literally press your finger nail into the rubber of these 9.00 x 15 bias-ply tires! Not only that but the Red Leather Seats are still unbelievably soft and plush with not one wrinkle or crack in them! Oh yes, one look at the engine there's no question it's brand spanking new and with all original hoses, wires etc. And the Chrome, OMG NO PITS! This is truly a Time Capsule if I ever saw one!

So Commando1, at your request - provided a bonus of 2 extra just for you!

This baby is 3" Longer than my TC wagon!
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Straight Clean RUST FREE BODY - Just needs some detailing!
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New Engine with guessing not more than 10 miles on it!
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Engine & Compartment Like Brand New!
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Engine Tag for Replacement Motor
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Suspension is clean and bushings still soft

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Bet you'd NEVER see these type of brake shoes again! Gap for cooling!!
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Actual Original Miles - 18,720!
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Leather still soft and pliable - NO CRACKS OR EVEN CREASES!

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Evidence of low miles - no wear on brake pedal
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Rear Seat also in EXCELLENT condition - Just needs a wipe down
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Original Spare Tire - Like Brand New!!
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That Cadillac is one of my favorites of that model, and white with red interior is stunning on that car. And I feel that GM was building really quality cars back then too. I am glad a guy like you now has the car and will be a good steward of it. And at a good price!

Congratulations! It is beautiful.
 
That could very well be as the owner was a mechanic, parts person and service writer for Cadillac. There's a very interesting story behind this car -

The original owner purchased the car from Kohlenberg Cadillac in 1965. In 1970 he had the car towed to the dealership to find out what the problem was. An inspection was made and he was informed the water hose had sprung a leak and the car ran out of water which essentially destroyed the engine. The owner inquired how much the repair would cost and he was given a quote of $2,000. Seeing that the repair was basically 1/3 the price of the car he decided to trade it in and apply the $2,000 he would have paid for the repair towards a new caddy.

John, the owner of the car whom we purchased the car from worked for the dealership. He purchased the car, had the complete engine replaced, drove it home and there it sat for the next 43 years (1970 - 2013). John passed away in 1993. Ten years later in 2013 Geri (wife) decided to sell the house. She wanted to keep the car, but had no where to store it. John & Geri's good friend Craig who owned and operated a mechanics shop offered to store the car at his shop for Geri. Knowing the car would be left un-driven Craig got a car cover for it and put the car up on stands where it still rests today.

My buddy Paul who has been friends with Craig for the past 30 years had known about the car since it was towed to the shop and on occasion asked Craig whether the owner was interested in selling it. Geri obviously wanted to keep the car for sentimental reasons. Unfortunately Craig lost the lease to his shop and will be closing its doors. Since he will no longer be able to store the car, Craig asked Geri what her intensions were for it. He mentioned that if she wanted to sell it a good friend of his was interested. Having lost the storage place for the car Geri felt it was time to let it go and said since Paul was a good friend of Craigs she would let it go and along with it at a good price.... Actually is was GREAT PRICE! I can't say how much - just lets say we got a steal on it. In fact parts to do the upgrades to my wagon cost more than what we got the car for.

John, the owner worked for Kohlenberg as a mechanic, then parts manager and finally as service writer when he bought the car so you have to know he got the car with a new engine cheap... it's anyones guess, but I'd say he got it for A SONG!

When we asked Geri (wife) why John never drove the car once he brought it home from the dealership she said she couldn't understand it herself. Geri said John had a bunch of other cars and the Caddy was just another one he added to his stable. One hard to fathom fact is that the NEW engine can't have more than 10 miles on it being John drove it straight from the dealership to his house and there it sat for the next 43 years. Being a mechanic I'm sure John took some preventative measures knowing he wouldn't be driving so perhaps the Marvel Mystery Oil idea may not be such a Mystery now would it mr. fix it!

What's also quite mind boggling is how soft the rubber still is on the original tires. As a matter of fact you can literally press your finger nail into the rubber of these 9.00 x 15 bias-ply tires! Not only that but the Red Leather Seats are still unbelievably soft and plush with not one wrinkle or crack in them! Oh yes, one look at the engine there's no question it's brand spanking new and with all original hoses, wires etc. And the Chrome, OMG NO PITS! This is truly a Time Capsule if I ever saw one!

So Commando1, at your request - provided a bonus of 2 extra just for you!

This baby is 3" Longer than my TC wagon!
2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%281%29.jpg


Straight Clean RUST FREE BODY - Just needs some detailing!
2016-03-24%2012_opt.jpg


New Engine with guessing not more than 10 miles on it!
2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%282%29.jpg


Engine & Compartment Like Brand New!
2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%283%29.jpg


Engine Tag for Replacement Motor
2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%2810%29.jpg


Suspension is clean and bushings still soft

2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%284%29.jpg


Bet you'd NEVER see these type of brake shoes again! Gap for cooling!!
2016-03-24%2012_opt%20%281%29.jpg


Actual Original Miles - 18,720!
2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%289%29.jpg


Leather still soft and pliable - NO CRACKS OR EVEN CREASES!

2016-03-12%2015_opt%20%286%29.jpg


Evidence of low miles - no wear on brake pedal
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Rear Seat also in EXCELLENT condition - Just needs a wipe down
2016-03-12%2015_opt.jpg


Original Spare Tire - Like Brand New!!
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Really nice find... I dont see how any car guy couldnt love that at least a little, even if they did wish it was an Imp instead of a Caddy.
 
commando1 - here you go buddy.... the 45 year old time capsule finally see's the light of day. Just needs a good buff job.

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WOW great thread, pictures, and commentary SF-66-TC. I've opened this thread in a new window so I can study it more fully when I have time later today.

I suggest splitting the beautiful caddy into it's own thread as I think it deserves it even if it's a GM - congrats on that great find. If you want I can move the caddy part to it's own thread. Just tell me what you want it named.
 
WOW great thread, pictures, and commentary SF-66-TC. I've opened this thread in a new window so I can study it more fully when I have time later today.

I suggest splitting the beautiful caddy into it's own thread as I think it deserves it even if it's a GM - congrats on that great find. If you want I can move the caddy part to it's own thread. Just tell me what you want it named.
Wow, that'll be great - hope there's no flack about what's a GM doing on the FCBO forum.... But if you feel it's ok, how about naming it "A 45 year old GM Time Capsule"
 
I'm not a Caddy guy, but this is a sweet car and you'll get no flack from me. When I was a young punk I didn't have any time for it if it wasn't a MOPAR. Not so any more. I've grown to appreciate more old cars.
 
I need this car. 50's and 60's Cadillacs are some of my favorite cars; actually I like most full figured cars of this vintage.
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I also see a 64 Chevy peeking out.
 
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