For Sale 1965 4spd new yorker wagon

[shooter65]

That air cleaner would also fit a 383 or a 413 with a dual-quad intake and carbs.

I missed the "installed in 1966" part. But, still, really? You have a wagon, loaded out that sold for close to $6,000 new in '65. Does anyone think that an owner would have an engine and trans installed in this a year later for an additional $4K - $5K, back then? I find the whole story pretty incredulous.

I'll throw my two cents in on this for no added value but that I suffer from insomnia and haven't got anything better to do at 1:30 in the morning. I'm with you Patrick66 but it's Christmas and although HIGHLY improbable, it is theoretically possible that someone with more money then brains had a dealer mod the car, maybe the dealer himself. It is a cool wish like finding the perfectly optioned car in perfect shape at the perfect price for you. The important thing is that no one is biting because everyone has the same reasonable doubts about this car as you and I. Doesn't hurt to speculate though. That's a large part of any forum weather it's C-Bodies or any other interest.

Unless the owner has some very convincing documentation from the dealer that the mod was done, it's not really believable. As Commando1 said, if it is a dealer installed 4 speed car, that would be special enough for serious interest. Again, I would want to see some dealer documentation otherwise, I'm assuming someone hacked a 300 years later to make a 383 or 413 4 speed wagon.

 

[cantflip]

Guys, you are assuming that there was a HEMI in this car, when I'd bet big that the car had an 18-spline Hemi four-speed transmission installed behind that original 383 or 413. First off, the HEMI in '65 was a race-engine only! Not a street car engine, and certainly NOT in a big Chrysler wagon! Even as a dealer install, I doubt very, very seriously that this car ever had a Hemi in it at any time in its' life!!! Let's think logically here...a full-sized wagon, with dual air conditioning, would be a weird thing with a four-speed alone. Does anyone really think for a moment that this car had a Hemi in it, at any point in its' life???

Patrick, no one assumed it was a Hemi from the factory.
If they did, they dont know their C-bodies yet.
I just want to know if it was originally a 4spd wagon.

I know that. A four-speed that was dealer-installed would be believable. But from some of the responses, people are thinking this had a dealer-added Hemi. I can not see that in 1965, and especially for a full-sized Chrysler wagon!

From the ad description




Sounds to me that the implication is there that the hemi and 4spd were installed and the 426 is now gone.

X2
A simple phone call would answer all of our questions.

That air cleaner would also fit a 383 or a 413 with a dual-quad intake and carbs.

I missed the "installed in 1966" part. But, still, really? You have a wagon, loaded out that sold for close to $6,000 new in '65. Does anyone think that an owner would have an engine and trans installed in this a year later for an additional $4K - $5K, back then? I find the whole story pretty incredulous.

Seller's description:
Chrysler New Yorker Station Wagon. 9-Passenger Wagon. Very Good Original Condition. Bucket Seats, Console, PS, PB, PL,PW,Front & Rear A/C. Glass and Trim Very Good. Chrome 300 Series Grille. Sure-Grip Rear, 11" Brakes front and rear. Fenton Aluminum Wheels. Car was converted to a 426 Hemi 4-Speed at the dealership in 1966. The Hemi is now gone. This car is offered with either a 413 or 440 engine and both need rebuilt. Car was last licensed in 1976. Wagons are Hot and this is a Cool Rare Car that would be One of a Kind car.

It is possible, even if not plausible, that the car was dealer modified as described. That is what has everyone's curiosity going. IF the myth is true, I would find it more likely someone used a wrecked donor car to build this, because it would have been a huge expense for little gain to build it otherwise. The hemi would not have made an ideal tow vehicle... it would be more of a novelty piece even then... but if the right pieces were lying around as used cars... dead motor or transmission wagon, wrecked muscle car... Very possible someone would go there for fun... this wasn't a time known for used car values (not that I was around then). The alleged dealer install would require documentation to be more than a neat story, but could simply be reference to someone at the dealer had access to the cars cheap and a "what if" moment. I am not saying I buy into the myth... but mythical cars have happened and it would be a shame if this jagoff ruined one to flip a hemi engine.

 

[shooter65]

it would be a shame if this jagoff ruined one to flip a hemi engine.

Hey, your Pittsburgheese is showin' n'at....youse guys stay warm down ner....:yaayy:

 

[Pete Kaczmarski]

Lets assume the motor (now gone), grill and manual trans were all added so what is the realistic value of what is left???

 

[BIGBARNEYCARS]

Half the asking price 'cuz it's gonna take close to 5K more to build a 440 just to make it go again. And that price iz IF the cancer wormz haven't found it yet.

 

[cantflip]

Hey, your Pittsburgheese is showin' n'at....youse guys stay warm down ner....:yaayy:

I love using jagoff here... nobody is even sure if I said a bad word...

 

[cantflip]

Lets assume the motor (now gone), grill and manual trans were all added so what is the realistic value of what is left???

Half the asking price 'cuz it's gonna take close to 5K more to build a 440 just to make it go again. And that price iz IF the cancer wormz haven't found it yet.

I know wagons are hot... but that's really clean usable ones... even at half I think this car will need a special person... too much prior butchering.

 

[patrick66]

NO 383 engine for the 65 new yorker , they only had the 413.

True, I was stating that that particular air cleaner would fit a 383 or a 413 with dual quads.

And, I'd have to see irrefutable documentation (dealer receipts, pics with the Hemi clearly in place, etc) before I'd buy off on the sellers' story. Otherwise, it is a reasonably clean, engine-less '65 New Yorker station wagon with dual air, and worth maybe $3K to $4K as it sits, pending a personal or professional pre-buy inspection.

 

[sixtyf]

I still feel this may have been a tow wagon from a racing team back in the day. If my internet wasn't so freakn slow I would look further into it. Don Garlits and others were big into the Hemi racing scene and I know if I was living and breathing Hemi's I too would have one in my tow wagon. Just a thought to keep the dream alive
Merry Christmas everyone...

 

[The Horvaths]

Or it might be some sick person's idea of a sleeper. Heck, I'd still like to put a hemi in a Fiat. (I think the other definition of "sick" should be used for my idea.:icon_razz

 

[ma_mopar]

Looked at the car a few days ago. The whole subframe was swapped out. The transmission linkage was changed to accommodate the 4 speed. Had an electronic ignition added to it at some point in its life. The body is extremely clean for a midwest wagon. The interior needs a good cleaning and the driver seat has a rip in it.

Power windows, Power locks, Twilight sentinel, Automatic headlight dimmer. Does have rear a/c. Has vynl or some kind of vynl material on the egdes of the roof. The center section is not covered. All glass is in excellent shape, no cracks. Has duel exhaust and had an old school trailer brake setup on it. The part that was mounted underneath the hood on the drivers fender is gone. Still has remnants of it under the rear I believe.

I would rate the exterior at 9/10. If you wanted to nitpick it could be 7.5/10 Interior is a 8.5/10 not factoring in it just needs cleaned a little bit but including a tear in the drivers seat. It is 50 years old so that needs to be thought of.

Have a picture of the fender tag on my phone.

 

[commando1]

Thank you!!!!!!
Curious about this "sub-frame" swap" though.. Very curious.

 

[ma_mopar]

Thank you!!!!!!
Curious about this "sub-frame" swap" though.. Very curious.

That's what appears what was done according to my dad. Didn't look like a stock '65 C-Body front under pinnings.(been reading and watching a lot of derby talk lately to better understand what they are saying.)

 

[The Horvaths]

Looked at the car a few days ago. The whole subframe was swapped out. The transmission linkage was changed to accommodate the 4 speed. Had an electronic ignition added to it at some point in its life. The body is extremely clean for a midwest wagon. The interior needs a good cleaning and the driver seat has a rip in it.

Power windows, Power locks, Twilight sentinel, Automatic headlight dimmer. Does have rear a/c. Has vynl or some kind of vynl material on the egdes of the roof. The center section is not covered. All glass is in excellent shape, no cracks. Has duel exhaust and had an old school trailer brake setup on it. The part that was mounted underneath the hood on the drivers fender is gone. Still has remnants of it under the rear I believe.

I would rate the exterior at 9/10. If you wanted to nitpick it could be 7.5/10 Interior is a 8.5/10 not factoring in it just needs cleaned a little bit but including a tear in the drivers seat. It is 50 years old so that needs to be thought of.

Have a picture of the fender tag on my phone.

So... Is the Hemi still in it?

 

[ma_mopar]

So... Is the Hemi still in it?

No it's not. No motor no transmission. He sold the hemi and transmission out of it. He does have another 4 speed I think, and a 413 i think he said. Would throw those in for the right price.

 

[sixtyf]

Perhaps another clue ...

 

[tdenkler]

Perhaps another clue ...

More fuel for the fire. 63 300 J had "remote brake booster" in driver fender well for power assist. Std power brake booster would not fit because of 413 short rams. early 426 hemi cars had same issue.no room for booster due to hemi head config. used same fender mounted booster set up. Used manual master cylinder firewall mount, relocated "check" valve to exit bottom of master cylinder instead of the end in order to plumb lines. Sounds like someone may indeed have shelled out a fortune for hemi 4 speed in this beast. The ultimate C body 4 speed! Stan, this might outshine your 76 setup! What a beast!

 

[patrick66]

Yeah, this isn't some "Gee, let's toss the Hemi and that four-speed Clem has in the shop and make this an RV-towin' *****!" one-day swap-over. Some effort was required here. And like I mentioned earlier, why would someone take a one-year old Chrysler wagon and do all this to it? You'd figure someone, somewhere would remember this very car in the day. You know, like finding one of Obama's college buddies!

 

[commando1]

The old skool trailer brakes is what's has me pretty well convinced about the pro-dragrace team tow car theory.

 

[Snotty]

Never heard of a 1965 300 sport!! ( i owned a 65 300 2dr non lettercar in the past )
You also could buy a 65 300 4 dr hrdtp or sdn , not a sports car in my eyes.

There are 2 types 300,s ; the standard 300 and the 300 lettercar.

When Chrysler introduced the non-letter 300 in 1962 they referred to it as the "300 Sport." Whether you've ever heard that or not is irrelevant; it is true. I have used that nomenclature to describe all non-letter cars through '65. I did not say "sports car." So, back off with the exclamation points and look it up.