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1969 Plymouth Sport Fury Convertible
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bluefury361
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The car.............
First impression was a orange 1970 Road Runner with no engine or trans that had been sitting under some pine trees for several years and was encrusted with a green, mossy skin.
Casual inspection revealed some rear 1/4 panel rust through, although not to bad. Areas in the C-pillar and around the rear window that had rusted under the original vinal top, (which thankfully had been pealed off a long time ago). And floor pans that appeared supprisingly solid under a shag carpet. The rockers, fenders and under hood area showed no rust through. I could barely make out the fender tag but could see the sequence on it, the core support and trunk rail all matched.
What kept me from the truth was that the windshield was delaminated and fogged as well as encrusted with moss so that I could not see the dash vin well enough to read it. Add to that the driver door would not open to view the door sticker. Plus the engine call out on the bulge hood was gone.
Further inspection revealed some unusual options. Although the car was a coupe it was really not a stripper...... Options included rocker moldings, hood pins, a factory installed "go wing", vinal top, and factory A/C & automatic trans. Unusual combo I thought.
Heres where one should never assume........! In 1970 on Road Runners.... A/C was listed as not availiable on 440 6bbl and hemi cars..... So that leaves the 383 as the only option with A/C... The U code HP 440 was also not listed as being avaliable except on Superbirds and GTX. Add to that the engine code on the fender tag was E63..... 383. (As was found on the fender tags of all 69 A12 cars).
This all led me to assume it to be originally a 383 car.
First impression was a orange 1970 Road Runner with no engine or trans that had been sitting under some pine trees for several years and was encrusted with a green, mossy skin.
Casual inspection revealed some rear 1/4 panel rust through, although not to bad. Areas in the C-pillar and around the rear window that had rusted under the original vinal top, (which thankfully had been pealed off a long time ago). And floor pans that appeared supprisingly solid under a shag carpet. The rockers, fenders and under hood area showed no rust through. I could barely make out the fender tag but could see the sequence on it, the core support and trunk rail all matched.
What kept me from the truth was that the windshield was delaminated and fogged as well as encrusted with moss so that I could not see the dash vin well enough to read it. Add to that the driver door would not open to view the door sticker. Plus the engine call out on the bulge hood was gone.
Further inspection revealed some unusual options. Although the car was a coupe it was really not a stripper...... Options included rocker moldings, hood pins, a factory installed "go wing", vinal top, and factory A/C & automatic trans. Unusual combo I thought.
Heres where one should never assume........! In 1970 on Road Runners.... A/C was listed as not availiable on 440 6bbl and hemi cars..... So that leaves the 383 as the only option with A/C... The U code HP 440 was also not listed as being avaliable except on Superbirds and GTX. Add to that the engine code on the fender tag was E63..... 383. (As was found on the fender tags of all 69 A12 cars).
This all led me to assume it to be originally a 383 car.
bluefury361
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Buy & sell.................
By this time I had taken several photos of the car which I posted first here, and also on FBBO. Most everyone jumped on it with comments like, "piece of junk".... "rusted hulk"..."parts car"...... and the like. But, there were a couple of guys who saw what I saw and showed interest. One of them was a young guy in Vegas who was looking for a project 70 Road Runner and he made an offer before I had even bought the car.
I was not really interested in the car myself because I had my 61 Fury as my next project. I called the owner and we came to terms over the phone...... And I in turn contacted the fellow in Vegas and accepted his offer for a pretty tidy profit. He wired the money the next day and I paid the owner without using a dime from my pocket. Crazyest deal I've made in a long time....!
Arraingements for transport were made right away and a week later I went over... loaded the car onto a trailer and delivered it a mile and a half to the waiting transporter.
And then.........
By this time I had taken several photos of the car which I posted first here, and also on FBBO. Most everyone jumped on it with comments like, "piece of junk".... "rusted hulk"..."parts car"...... and the like. But, there were a couple of guys who saw what I saw and showed interest. One of them was a young guy in Vegas who was looking for a project 70 Road Runner and he made an offer before I had even bought the car.
I was not really interested in the car myself because I had my 61 Fury as my next project. I called the owner and we came to terms over the phone...... And I in turn contacted the fellow in Vegas and accepted his offer for a pretty tidy profit. He wired the money the next day and I paid the owner without using a dime from my pocket. Crazyest deal I've made in a long time....!
Arraingements for transport were made right away and a week later I went over... loaded the car onto a trailer and delivered it a mile and a half to the waiting transporter.
And then.........
bluefury361
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The revilation...................
Alabama is a no title state on cars before 1972. The seller had never regestered the car and had nothing with the VIN number on it.
We came up with a bill of sale using the numbers on the core support (plant code and sequence #), I knew the codes for a 70 Road Runner 383 were RM21N0 so we wrote it out that way.
I put the BOS in the mail and sent it off to the new owner with a thank you and good luck. End of story........?....... NOT.....!
He called when the car arrived and was pretty happy with it concidering it had been bought sight unseen. He was excited and had already obtained some of the needed parts to restore the car.
About a week later he called and said there was a problem with the VIN on the BOS. After removing the windshield he found the everything right except the 5th digit which was a "U". I asked about the door sticker VIN tag and he had not looked at it yet although he had already removed the doors and had them primed. Fortunatly he had taped off the sticker instead of removing it and it verified the dash VIN # with a "U" engine code. Further inspection revealed the broadcast sheet which showed E86 as the engine code. (440 HP).
Everything stopped there. A local Vegas restro shop that specialized in Mopars was contacted and they inspected and validated the codes. (Then made a huge cash offer for the car).
Thats when Chrysler Historical was contacted. With information supplied to them they were able to verify that the car was assembled but never delivered to a dealer. Likely a high up exect had the car built for his own use, been known to happen. Like the A12 cars..... It was likely built as a 383 delete and the 440 installed off line.
He sent me photo proof of the dash VIN, door VIN sticker and the broadcast sheet
I supplied the new owner with a certified BOS with the corrected VIN and he was able to obtain a Nevada title for the car.......
Happy ending..... For him..... :sFun_doh2:....
I probably could have funded the restoration on my 61 Fury for what that car might be worth.....
The guy who sold me the car called a couple weeks ago and asked when I was going to get the rest of the parts...... I had no idea what he meant but went over and picked up a nice rust free pair of 70 Road Runner front fenders and a hood. It'll help.....
Alabama is a no title state on cars before 1972. The seller had never regestered the car and had nothing with the VIN number on it.
We came up with a bill of sale using the numbers on the core support (plant code and sequence #), I knew the codes for a 70 Road Runner 383 were RM21N0 so we wrote it out that way.
I put the BOS in the mail and sent it off to the new owner with a thank you and good luck. End of story........?....... NOT.....!
He called when the car arrived and was pretty happy with it concidering it had been bought sight unseen. He was excited and had already obtained some of the needed parts to restore the car.
About a week later he called and said there was a problem with the VIN on the BOS. After removing the windshield he found the everything right except the 5th digit which was a "U". I asked about the door sticker VIN tag and he had not looked at it yet although he had already removed the doors and had them primed. Fortunatly he had taped off the sticker instead of removing it and it verified the dash VIN # with a "U" engine code. Further inspection revealed the broadcast sheet which showed E86 as the engine code. (440 HP).
Everything stopped there. A local Vegas restro shop that specialized in Mopars was contacted and they inspected and validated the codes. (Then made a huge cash offer for the car).
Thats when Chrysler Historical was contacted. With information supplied to them they were able to verify that the car was assembled but never delivered to a dealer. Likely a high up exect had the car built for his own use, been known to happen. Like the A12 cars..... It was likely built as a 383 delete and the 440 installed off line.
He sent me photo proof of the dash VIN, door VIN sticker and the broadcast sheet
I supplied the new owner with a certified BOS with the corrected VIN and he was able to obtain a Nevada title for the car.......
Happy ending..... For him..... :sFun_doh2:....
I probably could have funded the restoration on my 61 Fury for what that car might be worth.....
The guy who sold me the car called a couple weeks ago and asked when I was going to get the rest of the parts...... I had no idea what he meant but went over and picked up a nice rust free pair of 70 Road Runner front fenders and a hood. It'll help.....
saylor
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holy guacamole
bluefury361
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mdh157
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it is a great story, but the fender tag not backing it up puts a damper on it.......the only way to avoid an issue is to say the tag was missing and have a new one made. Has Galen looked at the car?
EDIT: nevermind, if historical says it is good then it is good..no need for Galen.
That is not the first tiem I've heard of execs having cars built for them that didn't exist otherwise.
EDIT: nevermind, if historical says it is good then it is good..no need for Galen.
That is not the first tiem I've heard of execs having cars built for them that didn't exist otherwise.
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bluefury361
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I don't put much stock in fender tags. To many varibles. Since I learned about special cars with "engine delete" being built on the line and then having engines installed at a seperate location. Example is the 69 A12 cars. Their fender tags read E63 with A12 added. Very confusing to the average enthusiest. Add to that the high amount of documented mis-stamped tags just further discounts their credability. I think the VIN, door sticker and broadcast sheet are enough to validate this car.
Galen who....? ... OHHhhhhh .. that guy who couldn't take the ridicule directed at him and dropped out of sight to become somebodys puppet....?
Back on topic......... This 69 Sport Fury is one hell of a car..... I'd love to add it to my collection.
mdh157
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You've got enough........I need it, I only have one car and most of you have several!
polara71
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You'll never be happy
mdh157
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polara71
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Then you don't need two
mdh157
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if i don't need 2 then how come you need 3?
commando1
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I just need it.
polara71
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Even though I have three and wont sell any and consider them all keepers I still need my prefect polara
commando1
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I found my perfect car.
But it changes every five minutes.
Can't hold a thought worth a damn.
But it changes every five minutes.
Can't hold a thought worth a damn.
mdh157
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Yes, but your perfect car doesn't exist......white buckets, right? you will have to make one yourself.
bluefury361
Old Man with a Hat
Glad to hear i'm not the only one........ I know my perfect car when I see it..... And that happens a lot...!
polara71
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