1970 2 door Imperial.....cl ad

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Its hard think that Europe only has love for these cars. I think they are killer. The 2 door models are gangster. Well so are the 4 door models. A rust free example is hard to find on the east coast. If anyone has interest in this 70. I will take care of them. Johnny.
 
There could be 200 of them left somewhere in the world, it just isn't likely as 36 of them left. "10+" 1970 Imperial Coupes in Europe doesn't surprise me but 30+ would.

If I had to make a casual "bet" for a cup of coffee on the answer, I would say there are between 28 and 44 of them left (without regard to being registered, or running, or whatever) on the planet. If I was still betting millions of the shareholders' money, I'd say the same thing.

The "fancy math" in the prediction models was long ago worked out by the "giants" in the annals of predictive calculation (unless statistics is one's bag, it could give ya a headache). At work, I just supervised/recommended contemporary investments decisions using tools that could withstand third-party scrutiny. In academia, I was just trying not to make an idiot outta myself.

A car that becomes "collectible", or was purpose-built in limited quantities to become "collectible", during its lifetime has a different "decay profile" than one that doesnt..meaning more would be left versus "non-collectible" cars of comparable age.

Newer cars, because they are built better, have different decay profiles than older cars, truck profiles look different than cars, heavy duty truck profiles look different than light duty trucks, etc and so on and so forth. No advance math degree needed..good old common sense works great here.

Unless its an uber-collectible like the 1948 Tuckers (47 of 52 known to exist right now..all the others accounted for as well), most cars need a predictive tool to estimate how many are left at any given time after they year they were built.

Taking all that into account, you can throw some solid math at it..same math used predict stock prices and crop yields and oil reserves, etc...and come up with something you can use to make estimates about a population of items.

Regarding vehicles specifically, NHSTA (the US Feds) has great discussions available to the public online on this very topic...only car "nerds" like me might read that stuff:reading:
 
a major influence was if the car was really special from new on and if it got rather quickly a collectible or special car.
The number of surviving wing cars (Daytonas and Superbirds) is high in percentage as well as for cars like the 300 Hurst.
Hemi cars always survived in higher numbers due to being kinda special since day one.

It is a different story if we start looking at a 1970 Plymouth Fury III 4-doors, Slant Six Vailiants and Darts
 
a major influence was if the car was really special from new on and if it got rather quickly a collectible or special car.
The number of surviving wing cars (Daytonas and Superbirds) is high in percentage as well as for cars like the 300 Hurst.
Hemi cars always survived in higher numbers due to being kinda special since day one.

It is a different story if we start looking at a 1970 Plymouth Fury III 4-doors, Slant Six Vailiants and Darts

Absolutely true...those are good examples on both ends of the spectrum. I dunno how many Superbirds were built (couple thousand?), but its 100% likely more than 40 (2% of 2,000) of them are still around.
 
Its hard think that Europe only has love for these cars. I think they are killer. The 2 door models are gangster. Well so are the 4 door models. A rust free example is hard to find on the east coast. If anyone has interest in this 70. I will take care of them. Johnny.

Johnny..I ain't trying to butcher your thread with esoteric discussion man.

You have a nice, rare old Imperial Coupe. However many are left in the world, we all know there's not a lot of them. I hope it does very well for you and gets a good new home at the same time.

All the best.

Ray
 
Absolutely true...those are good examples on both ends of the spectrum. I dunno how many Superbirds were built (couple thousand?), but its 100% likely more than 40 (2% of 2,000) of them are still around.

yes, they buillt nearly 2.000 Birds and more than the half of them is still out there. There is a registry and I think there are more like 70% of them still being around somehow.
 
It's what happens to it with the next owner that scares me.
Deteriorate or improve from where it is currently.

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For starters, only 2,057 coupes in '70, how many do you think are left? A couple hundred, maybe? This is a rare car and would be stunning to see restored.

DAMN- had a '70 2dr- a few years ago i had to let one go because code enforcement put pressure on my herd
 
It's what happens to it with the next owner that scares me.
Deteriorate or improve from where it is currently.

"True dat" as the hipsters say. lets hope it can live on..intact at least if not yet restored.
 
yes, they buillt nearly 2.000 Birds and more than the half of them is still out there. There is a registry and I think there are more like 70% of them still being around somehow.

the 1970 'Birds were Road Runner non-pillared hardtops right?

assuming thats right, the predictive "model" doesnt break Superbirds out from all the other non-pillared hardtops, but it "predicts" (round numbers) of the 25,000 non-pillared hardtops built, 3,700 should still be around, plus or minus 90 cars, today.

The Superbird Registry (they have been counting them since 1975) says 1200+ Birds are left of the 1900+ built, so 2,500 non-Bird RR's should be left. Model seems to recognize a "collectibiity" factor of '70 RR's versus a '70 Imperial coupe, basically estimating 15% should be left 45 years later versus 1.75% for the Imperial

How many of the 25,000 '70 RR's are really left? taking out the Birds, it could be 5,000 left but thats predicted to be less likely than the estimate of 2,500 left.

As rabid as the "Bird crowd is with their "flock", and despite being on it for almost 40 years, they still cant find a third of them. And some will never be found (recycled, sitting at bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, etc) , another one might turn up today...you just dont know.

Back to where we started, I hope we can find, save, or maintain as many of the 2,057 C-body LeBaron and Imperial Coupes from 1970 as we can..however many are left.
 
The car doesn't particularly interest me but the statistics did. Funny as I couldn't stand it in college. Maybe if the examples used were probabilities about cars then I might have gotten an A instead of a C and D.
 
Anyone interested in the car and not the speculation of what is left on earth? Johnny

I think people are looking at your car and I think many of us hope that anyone "serious" (real intent and conditions are right) about it will emerge from here or wherever else its being looked at.

People on this site know these cars and several have given useful inputs on value, rarity, and its observed condition that may help it find a new home. Some people in this thread have stated interest but not the right timing for them. Countless others reading the thread maybe have the same/higher interest but conditions arent quite right, or in a few minutes somebody will ping you and say they gotta have it.

Yeah, we (me) went further on the rarity thing than necessary for purposes of you selling it. But its a forum ..ideas and comments flow "at will" and we all try to learn stuff from the exchanges. theres not doubt a lot us just wanna see it get back as close to its original condition as possible.

But most of everything said here was about your car. And the first thing anybody sees in this thread is your car and thats a good thing i think.

Again, all the best with it.
 
Anyone interested in the car and not the speculation of what is left on earth? Johnny

I think regardless of its rarity, the price point is too high. A lot of guys missed out on the great deals from the Kee auction with most of these cars going for only a few hundred each. The fact that you were willing to give this one away for the price of shipping the 69 doesn't help either. If it was mine, I'd list it on eBay for an opening bid of $399, no reserve. Mention the Kee auction in the title. Kee is already gaining legendary status in the small C body community and provides a rudimentary pedigree. You may generate some excitement and hopefully a feeding frenzy.
 
"Sampling man"...I would have gladly gave the 70 to someone, if they paid for the shipping of both cars. That would have been an awesome deal for me and for whoever stepped up to the plate. Nobody did...surprise, surprise.. C body guys don't want to pay. Its sad but true. So, I had to pay for the cars, and the shipping. Oh well. Now they are both on the east coast. It doesn't matter how long it takes to sell. I don't care what you guys write on here. The commentary is entertaining to say the least. Plus, the comments bump up the ad to the top. As for the price... you have to start somewhere. Wherever the price is set, someone tries to cut it down. Will it sell for 4500...doubtful. Will I start there to get as much out of it?...Damn right. Is the car nice? Damn right. I will be working on it in my spare time to get it to run. I think with a carb rebuild, it'll run as is. The art of negotiation is lost. I always start at a number and have a rock bottom. There is a lot of wiggle room in between. Its up to the buyer to pay what they are comfortable with. So, with that being said.... make an offer on her. Or maybe I'll get my money out of parting her out?? Johnny.....
 
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