1970 B5 Sport Fury GT...Critters folly....back to basics

[saforwardlook]

It was for the good of the Forum. Forum first.

And here I thought you and Dave were for America First!

But, seriously, I have also written 2 replies to this thread and also cancelled them both.

I will try again.

78% of Americans with full time jobs live paycheck to paycheck now, and obviously there are a good number more with jobs that are not full-time or have none at all. That doesn't leave very many prospective buyers in the U.S. to buy these cars and actually do something with them. That is the only real reason these cars go overseas. Their governments don't serve mainly the top couple of percent of the population.

Real C body lovers want these cars saved and loved by persons who will do some good with them, regardless of where they end up.

I personally am therefore glad that Tobias is doing what he is doing. Otherwise, these cars would just be destroyed. No one can "flip" one of these nearly 50 year old cars without first taking some risk in buying them, putting a significant amount of time and money into fixing them that needs to be recouped despite being bought "cheap" and sitting in some barn for many years and then hope to sell them to a good buyer who will be interested in them.

 

[polara71]

And if you look at the Americans (Canadians too) on this board that have "stepped up"?

 

[rags]

great guys with fantastic cars who make very well informed, objective decisions about valuation and viability.

 

[Dobalovr]

And if you look at the Americans (Canadians too) on this board that have "stepped up"?

Critter just drove 10 hours round trip to pick up an air cleaner for this project. A frickin air cleaner....that's what this hobby is about. Dedication beyond rationalization. I don't care where you live or what you do for a living but I would buy any of you a beer for doing that one thing that keeps our cars on the road in this or any country.

 

[Rwc]

I just let go if a 440 with the original transmission that came out of a 70 SFGT. I tried to offer it to a guy working on one. Not interested. Along with the dual snorkel air cleaner.
They are gone to a B body.
I hate seeing cars go over seas. But, it is free enterprise working.
Just please don't try to tell me it's all for the greater good. Admit it's for profit and move on

 

[polara71]

I had no idea

 

[LocuMob]

Critter just drove 10 hours round trip to pick up an air cleaner for this project.

That's a guy who wants something.

 

[saforwardlook]

And if you look at the Americans (Canadians too) on this board that have "stepped up"?

I have seen very few from the U.S. that have stepped up, unless they are real projects and relatively cheap or 4 doors, etc. The cars Tobias or I sell for example are much nicer than that in general as far as I can tell. People in Europe and elsewhere overseas generally won't buy projects or anything that doesn't have a big block in it and 2 doors are still preferred over there too and must be in good condition already.

 

[saforwardlook]

I just let go if a 440 with the original transmission that came out of a 70 SFGT. I tried to offer it to a guy working on one. Not interested. Along with the dual snorkel air cleaner.
They are gone to a B body.
I hate seeing cars go over seas. But, it is free enterprise working.
Just please don't try to tell me it's all for the greater good. Admit it's for profit and move on

So can I assume that you, Ralph, or Dave then would sell a car you have for lets say $5000 less to a person in the U.S. compared to someone outside the country just to keep the cars in this country?

 

[MarPar]

So can I assume that you, Ralph, or Dave then would sell a car you have for lets say $5000 less to a person in the U.S. compared to someone outside the country just to keep the cars in this country?

C'mon, Steve...

 

[Fury Pursuit]

 

[LocuMob]

I like blue.

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[saforwardlook]

C'mon, Steve...

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I just want to know how much they would value keeping a car in the U.S, since they clearly "hate" seeing the cars go overseas and are beating Tobias up for selling over there where they clearly pay much more money than folks in the U.S. in my experience. I want to monetize their "hate".

I "hate" seeing motors/transmissions from C bodies going into B bodies, for example, and I would give up $500 in profit to keep them in a C body if I was confronted with such a selling situation (assuming a selling situation of some $2500 total) because it would be for the greater good, to me.

The guys I sell to overseas generally put a lot more money into their cars to make them no. 1 or 2 cars than the folks I have sold to in the U.S. are willing to do, and I have sold to both. But more to the ones in Europe where their willingness to pay more also equates to better homes.

Here is the last car I sold to Finland about 1 1/2 years ago now. It needed a total restoration (many substantial dents and some rust in the quarters and trunk - he paid my body guy to fix all the body issues and send it over there in primer ready for final paint). Here is what he did with it:

Now that we are completely off the rails, lets get back to Critters car.........

 

[cantflip]

Your definition of a flipper is very specific, yet not entirely correct.
You buy a car with the intentions of selling it to make a profit, you're a flipper regardless of what you've done to it. ( nothing wrong with that)
Did I embellish on the rape and pillaging? Obviously! I didn't say he's a bad guy but his agenda is clear, to send Cs over seas.
To those that only want to or would rather sell to overseas buyers I have a problem with. I don't like it, it offends me. BUT I DEAL WITH IT. Since it offends me I have a right to say so.

Like you have the right to disagree with me ....

I agree, you do have the right to your opinions... and the great thing about this place is that you can share them.

I just let go if a 440 with the original transmission that came out of a 70 SFGT. I tried to offer it to a guy working on one. Not interested. Along with the dual snorkel air cleaner.
They are gone to a B body.
I hate seeing cars go over seas. But, it is free enterprise working.
Just please don't try to tell me it's all for the greater good. Admit it's for profit and move on

You'd think that would matter to someone... not matching,but correct driveline

AFAIAC, a flip is something you buy with the intent to resell... even if you can't admit it to yourself. I save receipts, but never add them up... I don't really want to know and if I ever sell something, it won't be priced based on my expenditures... just whatever I think is fair value.

I have no problem with @CanCritter or @Tobias74

I do dislike seeing or hearing of a savable car becoming parts, at the same time, I understand this was unlikely to be a "lovingly restored" car in any imaginable future. The "argument for the sake of argument" thing has knocked a little of the deeper meaning out of the sidetrack for me. I don't want cars I like to be exported, but do want them to find good homes... might not get both "wants" all the time.

As far as I am concerned, all participants in the discussion have contributed to my enjoyment of the forum... and I'm actually a little more excited to watch Critter doing an "at home restoration" than another of Paul's work. Nothing against Paul, but for me the home grown version is closer to reality for most folks.

Just make sure you boys pick her clean vs. filling dumpsters with leftovers...

 

[polara71]

So can I assume that you, Ralph, or Dave then would sell a car you have for lets say $5000 less to a person in the U.S. compared to someone outside the country just to keep the cars in this country?

It wouldn't hurt to try here first now would it ?

And, you dont know that we haven't already.

And you are twisting this ...

 

[polara71]

I agree, you do have the right to your opinions... and the great thing about this place is that you can share them.

You'd think that would matter to someone... not matching,but correct driveline

AFAIAC, a flip is something you buy with the intent to resell... even if you can't admit it to yourself. I save receipts, but never add them up... I don't really want to know and if I ever sell something, it won't be priced based on my expenditures... just whatever I think is fair value.

I have no problem with @CanCritter or @Tobias74

I do dislike seeing or hearing of a savable car becoming parts, at the same time, I understand this was unlikely to be a "lovingly restored" car in any imaginable future. The "argument for the sake of argument" thing has knocked a little of the deeper meaning out of the sidetrack for me. I don't want cars I like to be exported, but do want them to find good homes... might not get both "wants" all the time.

As far as I am concerned, all participants in the discussion have contributed to my enjoyment of the forum... and I'm actually a little more excited to watch Critter doing an "at home restoration" than another of Paul's work. Nothing against Paul, but for me the home grown version is closer to reality for most folks.

Just make sure you boys pick her clean vs. filling dumpsters with leftovers...

Well the comment was made that it was only a four door. That is no C body lover ...
A good car is gonna have good parts . Rotten meat would be left on the bone and hit the garbage, that Chrysler had very little rotten meat but it wa s a four door so apparently, expendable.

It's a brokerage up there, he finds great cars for the purpose of shipping over seas. Does what is needed if anything to make it a safer more reliable driver.

I don't dislike Tobias. Just because he does something I don't like it doesn't make him a bad guy. I'm sure I do a ton of things others don't like and guess what, I don't really care. Those grinding the other side of the axe it seems have the real problem.

 

[Rwc]

I have sent parts across the pond. I am sorry if I am not clear. I believe in free enterprise and don't think less of anyone if they are selling what they have overseas. I just don't like seeing them leave.
This is just a hobby for me. I very seldom advertise anything for sale. If I see someone working on a car that is their "labor of love" I will offer something they need. I have given away much more than I have sold. And had many parts I needed given to me.
We can have different opinions without it being a personal issue.

 

[polara71]

I have sent parts across the pond. I am sorry if I am not clear. I believe in free enterprise and don't think less of anyone if they are selling what they have overseas. I just don't like seeing them leave.
This is just a hobby for me. I very seldom advertise anything for sale. If I see someone working on a car that is their "labor of love" I will offer something they need. I have given away much more than I have sold. And had many parts I needed given to me.
We can have different opinions without it being a personal issue.

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[detmatt]

You guys would have been better off not saying a word about your nice doner but then you go ahead and post pics of it? Have fun with your Fury’s.

 

[Dobalovr]