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AFAIK true in general for 1970.
Exception are cop cars.
And I know a factory export 70 Sport Fury 4dr HT for switzerland which is a u-code/E86 car/375HP car
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AFAIK true in general for 1970.
Exception are cop cars.
And I know a factory export 70 Sport Fury 4dr HT for switzerland which is a u-code/E86 car/375HP car
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I might be wrong, but I believe that IF you knew the boxes to check, the 440/375 could be had in most everything except a C-body station wagon, police vehicle or not. No real reason to limit them to just Chrysler-brand vehicles. The 440/350 might have been limited, possibly, but not the 440/375. That's how I remember the sales brochures being. No need to limit them to just law enforcement vehicles either.
NOW, finding one of the lower-model cars with the 440/375 in it would be rare, if it was not a law enforcement vehicle. The only unique things for the police engines would have been the 100amp Leece-Neville alternator, a "fast idle control", and possibly a power steering cooler.
In looking at the earlier thread on this car, saforwardlook mentioned a "leaking heater core". That's a possibility, BUT it's more likely (from my own experience with my '70 Monaco Brougham), it's the a/c case leaking (due to the poorly-designed/retained/gasketed case halves). That condensate leak will exist for years under the factory hard vinyl floor mats, undetected until the mats are removed and there's moisture on their under-side. That issue is prevalent on '69-'72 C-body cars, from what I discovered on my '70 and on my parents' '72 Newport Royal.
CAR LIFE magazine tested a loaded '69 Monaco 2dr ht, 440/375 car in their "Power Cars" multi-car road test. It's Chrysler Corp companion was a '69 Fury III convertible 383 2bbl car.
I don't know that I saw that many of the burnt orange C-body cars back then, in the DFW area. The combination on a B-body Plymouth was very sharp, though, with a white vinyl top.
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NOW, finding one of the lower-model cars with the 440/375 in it would be rare, if it was not a law enforcement vehicle. The only unique things for the police engines would have been the 100amp Leece-Neville alternator, a "fast idle control", and possibly a power steering cooler.
In looking at the earlier thread on this car, saforwardlook mentioned a "leaking heater core". That's a possibility, BUT it's more likely (from my own experience with my '70 Monaco Brougham), it's the a/c case leaking (due to the poorly-designed/retained/gasketed case halves). That condensate leak will exist for years under the factory hard vinyl floor mats, undetected until the mats are removed and there's moisture on their under-side. That issue is prevalent on '69-'72 C-body cars, from what I discovered on my '70 and on my parents' '72 Newport Royal.
CAR LIFE magazine tested a loaded '69 Monaco 2dr ht, 440/375 car in their "Power Cars" multi-car road test. It's Chrysler Corp companion was a '69 Fury III convertible 383 2bbl car.
I don't know that I saw that many of the burnt orange C-body cars back then, in the DFW area. The combination on a B-body Plymouth was very sharp, though, with a white vinyl top.
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Another reason to save tags, BS, and window stickers.
Documentation always wins over guessing, speculation and memory.
Every tag, sheet and sticker is another piece in a very large puzzle. Put them together and the picture becomes much clearer.
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An E-body guy it seems.
I think the asking price is very fair for this car and I’d be surprised if it’s still available by this time next week.
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Didn't sell on Ebay a year ago as it seems. It Needs to find the right dedicated C-Body guy and the well paying Europeans will mostly shy away due to the amount of resto work which is way more difficult with this optioned out car.
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STOP saying optioned out, it is not a loaded up car. No superlite, no power locks, no power seat, no tilt wheel, no cruise control, no AM/FM though it does have 8 track, no towing package , No a lot of things . It is a moderately opted car.
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This is from the last time it was listed apparently before this current owner ....
"I have collected many very hard to find NOS parts for the car that will be included with it. I can provide a part number list of these parts upon request, but they include all four wheel well opening moldings NOS, which also include some side molding sections, ( virtually all of the factory side moldings are present and accounted for ), an NOS complete front grille with both texture panels and headlight bezels, all NOS, both front turn signal assemblies with lenses and gaskets NOS, all four side marker lenses and gaskets NOS, both rear tail light bezels NOS, one back up lens/gasket NOS, one complete NOS back up light assembly with lens and gasket, both front fender extensions NOS, the interior left side instrument panel woodgrain switch panel trim NOS, an NOS 1970 only speedometer, repro burnt orange front arm rest pads, repro driver's side front bucket seat side trim, etc, etc, plus a correct 70 only set of big block valve covers that need to be stripped and painted. Many more parts are included. It took me six years of daily long searching to come up with all of these parts for this car, if i were to restore this car, i would not want to have to go through that again, especially since a lot of the parts are getting near impossible to find, the rear wheel well moldings ( which are 2 door only) are especially hard to find NOS. The value of the NOS parts alone is almost 3K, and that is pricing from years ago. I also have all of the hood edge "dodge" letters. This is a very special C body, in my opinion one of the best looking of all the 69 to 71 C body 2 doors, and it really deserves to be brought back to it's former beauty. It has a set of 15X7 Mopar Police rims on it right now, with some P245/60R15 BFG T/A's on it, but will include the original oversize 15X6 inch wheels and i have about ten of the original wheel covers. Car is sold as-is with no warranty. Payment must be received and or cleared before vehicle or title will be released. Payment can be either certified bank check or by wire transfer which is preferred. Pick up is the buyer's responsibility only. Please message me with any questions. Thanks for looking! "
IF all this is included it should bring more than the 6500 I said yesterday, probably will get the 9000 asking. Everything needs to be redone however. Unless you just want a driver and can tolerate the dents , you need to replace that quarter too.
"I have collected many very hard to find NOS parts for the car that will be included with it. I can provide a part number list of these parts upon request, but they include all four wheel well opening moldings NOS, which also include some side molding sections, ( virtually all of the factory side moldings are present and accounted for ), an NOS complete front grille with both texture panels and headlight bezels, all NOS, both front turn signal assemblies with lenses and gaskets NOS, all four side marker lenses and gaskets NOS, both rear tail light bezels NOS, one back up lens/gasket NOS, one complete NOS back up light assembly with lens and gasket, both front fender extensions NOS, the interior left side instrument panel woodgrain switch panel trim NOS, an NOS 1970 only speedometer, repro burnt orange front arm rest pads, repro driver's side front bucket seat side trim, etc, etc, plus a correct 70 only set of big block valve covers that need to be stripped and painted. Many more parts are included. It took me six years of daily long searching to come up with all of these parts for this car, if i were to restore this car, i would not want to have to go through that again, especially since a lot of the parts are getting near impossible to find, the rear wheel well moldings ( which are 2 door only) are especially hard to find NOS. The value of the NOS parts alone is almost 3K, and that is pricing from years ago. I also have all of the hood edge "dodge" letters. This is a very special C body, in my opinion one of the best looking of all the 69 to 71 C body 2 doors, and it really deserves to be brought back to it's former beauty. It has a set of 15X7 Mopar Police rims on it right now, with some P245/60R15 BFG T/A's on it, but will include the original oversize 15X6 inch wheels and i have about ten of the original wheel covers. Car is sold as-is with no warranty. Payment must be received and or cleared before vehicle or title will be released. Payment can be either certified bank check or by wire transfer which is preferred. Pick up is the buyer's responsibility only. Please message me with any questions. Thanks for looking! "
IF all this is included it should bring more than the 6500 I said yesterday, probably will get the 9000 asking. Everything needs to be redone however. Unless you just want a driver and can tolerate the dents , you need to replace that quarter too.
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thanks.
That past listing describes MORE stuff that hopefully comes with the car. If all that stuff is there, the roof grain is correct (anybody know/can post what that grain looks like?), I am now between $8K and yes $9K, the difference only being transportation budget for me.
And its the kinda car that needs the top-of-the-line resto that could likely include the passenger quarter replaced not repaired. That kinda stuff, piled onto MY personal siuation of having to pay other people (favorable rates due to my volume but still pricey) to do the hard work, absolutely stops ME at $9K.
Seems like a consensus is forming that this one may be fairly priced around $8K, plus or minus a grand?
And like Beep Beep Dave said and others in different words" It needs a buyer with time, experience (a C-lover in general and of this car in particular), space, and finally the "lettuce' to take it on. Return on investment would be secondary to such a buyer perhaps as well .. that also works against me as my 7th decade on the planet looms.
With that, I shall "spectate" here on this Monaco and root for a good home for it ... then go check out that '67 T&C, 440. 3.23 Suregrip wagon in Bishop CA high desert that's been rolling around on this Forum unsold since 2012
ONE for the ROAD: Is this the roof??
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You asked:
If I was you I would send Steve a PM and find out more details on the car he has. You'd be miles ahead to pay a bit more now and get something running and driving that you can have fun with making small improvements along the way.
Dave
If I was you I would send Steve a PM and find out more details on the car he has. You'd be miles ahead to pay a bit more now and get something running and driving that you can have fun with making small improvements along the way.
Dave
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The amount of "options" can be relative to the era in which they are considered. Certainly, there are some gaps in options coverage in this car. The gaps obviously reflected the taste of the customer demographic of the particular dealership person doing the ordering, their experience with such things in their service department, or the possible ultimate customer . . . for 1970. In current times, almost all of them are now pretty much "standard equipment" on many cars. And certainly "loaded" when compared to the earlier 1960s.
In the general era it was ordered in, anything past the basic "power steering, power brakes, a/c, pushbutton radio, rear speaker, and undercoat w/hood pad" would have been "loaded". ATC would have elevated it somewhat, but with a upgrade as that, power windows, power locks, power seat, cruise, and tilt would have been complimentary options to that. Adding bucket seats and console puts it into a different category, too.
Perhaps the addition of "buckets and console" added too much to the MSRP that the other "normal suspect" options had to be deleted to hit a particular price point and still have a spiffy vehicle? There had to be a reason . . .
Then, too, Chrysler built many "1 of ___" cars outside of B/E-body cars.
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In the general era it was ordered in, anything past the basic "power steering, power brakes, a/c, pushbutton radio, rear speaker, and undercoat w/hood pad" would have been "loaded". ATC would have elevated it somewhat, but with a upgrade as that, power windows, power locks, power seat, cruise, and tilt would have been complimentary options to that. Adding bucket seats and console puts it into a different category, too.
Perhaps the addition of "buckets and console" added too much to the MSRP that the other "normal suspect" options had to be deleted to hit a particular price point and still have a spiffy vehicle? There had to be a reason . . .
Then, too, Chrysler built many "1 of ___" cars outside of B/E-body cars.
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Might the rear bumper Fratzog also be related to the lack of "DODGE" letters on the front of the hood? My 03-70 build date Monaco has the smooth bumper and "DODGE" on the hood, although the parts books generally show the emblem in the rear bumper.
Wondering why much of the publications which would have had to have been done in July '69 for their readiness for distribution in Sept '69 shows this, but later production cars didn't have it? Last minute change to decrease costs, although an initial order of the emblemed bumpers was already in process, couldn't be stopped, and had to be used?
Curiosity on those two points.
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Echoing Dave in post 87, until we see the factory C body Options and Accessories reports, we don’t know what is ‘rare’ and what isn’t.
Given the number of options possible and the combinations of colors and options, the potential combinations often exceeded the number of cars actually produced, especially in lower volume units. The trick is not finding a one of one. The trick is finding two cars that are alike.
This concept devalues the overused and undefined cliche “rare”. Combing options and splitting the pie even more makes every care “rare”.
“Rare” relative to what and based on what documentation?
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But until we see credible production numbers as a benchmark, we’ll never know the why this is true. These cars could have been destroyed in a higher proportion leaving few survivors.
Even a randomly generated data base of significance would give insight as to relative numbers and percentages.
Another reason why documentation needs to be saved and tracked.
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It's obviously "rare" in relative terms in 2018.
An easy indicator of being rare is asking an enthusiast/expert that has spent 20 years or more specifically looking for a vehicle of this type. They would have indicators as to rarity based on actually searching out vehicles like this, and I would value their opinion, without having an option report, or production numbers available. "Polara Dave", would be one to ask on this car.
On the other hand, the Option Accessory Reports, would good information to have.
I've been looking at Ward's Automotive Year books for about 25 years, which now it seems the "numbers" nerds have been using to aggregate "new" numbers for production. Which overall is a good thing. When I would mention Wards book to people in the 1990's, nobody cared.
Times have changed, for the better.
An easy indicator of being rare is asking an enthusiast/expert that has spent 20 years or more specifically looking for a vehicle of this type. They would have indicators as to rarity based on actually searching out vehicles like this, and I would value their opinion, without having an option report, or production numbers available. "Polara Dave", would be one to ask on this car.
On the other hand, the Option Accessory Reports, would good information to have.
I've been looking at Ward's Automotive Year books for about 25 years, which now it seems the "numbers" nerds have been using to aggregate "new" numbers for production. Which overall is a good thing. When I would mention Wards book to people in the 1990's, nobody cared.
Times have changed, for the better.
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