fury fan
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I'm very curious as to how the market would compare this car to the $35k Snohomish GT we discussed recently. A notable price difference, but a notable 'value/desirability' difference also between S/23 and GT.
SOLD 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury S23
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polara71
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We need more photos of this car. The black 71 sold in the high 20s. With a great color combo, all black.
This one really jumps at you 18000 should do it, but it needs eyes
This one really jumps at you 18000 should do it, but it needs eyes
polara71
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I'm simply giving my opinion on value. Not sure it can pull 22 even though you couldn't do one for that
fury fan
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Being able to build a car vs someone's asking price is never a factor. Unless there's some screaming-deal factor involved, a completed car always values at less than restoration cost to get a similar car to same condition.
polara71
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Not always
fury fan
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Yeah, perhaps my 'never and always' is too strong, but I'd say it's the case with the Hursts, S/23s and GTs (and any lesser C-body). Might not be the case with a Yenko or Hemi car, but that's not our swimming pool.
fury fan
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IIRC the 318 was standard in the S/23, I've seen a few 383-2 cars for sale over the years - was 383-4 available, or did they max out at 383-2 with log manifolds and single snorkel? IMO that's going to be a big factor in value to some guys.
polara71
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I'm reading this as an N code which was available. ..great engine too
fury fan
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All I see here and on CL is '383 Commando', no VIN listed, so I don't know.
Agreed, an N-code is a fine thing, I wish I had that in one of my cars.
65 fury would get Commando V8 emblems for both 383-2 and 383-4, and I believe in 70 the 383-4 was called Super Commando, wasn't it? I'm perfectly OK to be wrong on this car, but I'm presuming this one to be L-code 383-2.
In my internet for-sale watching I don't see the N-code very often in a C-body. The earlier 383-4 with log manifolds is out there a bit, but the later N-code with AVS carb and HP manifolds didn't seem to be as popular. Earlier cars were rated at 270hp/315-325hp between 2 and 4-barrel, while later ones were 290/330hp. I presume the 20hp jump of the 383-2 in the -906-headed Fuseys made the 4-barrel engine seem an option not as important as on earlier cars? And the sales brochures specifically note that 383-2 runs on regular gas, 383-4 requires premium -- and as cheap as people say gas was back then, I bet people *did* pay attention to regular vs 'hi-test'.
But that's just speculation from a guy who was still pooping in his pants until about 1973.
Agreed, an N-code is a fine thing, I wish I had that in one of my cars.
65 fury would get Commando V8 emblems for both 383-2 and 383-4, and I believe in 70 the 383-4 was called Super Commando, wasn't it? I'm perfectly OK to be wrong on this car, but I'm presuming this one to be L-code 383-2.
In my internet for-sale watching I don't see the N-code very often in a C-body. The earlier 383-4 with log manifolds is out there a bit, but the later N-code with AVS carb and HP manifolds didn't seem to be as popular. Earlier cars were rated at 270hp/315-325hp between 2 and 4-barrel, while later ones were 290/330hp. I presume the 20hp jump of the 383-2 in the -906-headed Fuseys made the 4-barrel engine seem an option not as important as on earlier cars? And the sales brochures specifically note that 383-2 runs on regular gas, 383-4 requires premium -- and as cheap as people say gas was back then, I bet people *did* pay attention to regular vs 'hi-test'.
But that's just speculation from a guy who was still pooping in his pants until about 1973.
tbm3fan
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Not with this car though. While you can sink a ton of money into a Shelby GT-350, and get it back, our full size cars aren't that lucky enough to have such a pedigree to return even 1:1.
MarPar
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I think the "Super Commando" name was reserved for 440's, no?
shooter65
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70 had 3 383's 383-2 L code, E61, and 383-4 L code, E63, both marketed as Commando for Plymouth, 383-4 HP N code, E65 marketed as Super Commando for Plymouth and Magnum for Dodge. Super Commando was 330 HP I believe. I think the 290 HP was the 383-4 non-hp.
shooter65
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Sorry, I believe I screwed up. I think there were only two 383's in 70, E61 and E63. I think E65 was only used in 71. I get messed up because they combined the 70 and 71 into one parts catalog. E63 was Super Commando for 70.
commando1
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I'll repeat my mantra.
If somebody has an unrealistic exorbitant price when compared to past market history and refuses to budge on the price, then the car is not really for sale.
By the way, my large collection of Corning Corelle dinnerware in the discontinued Sandstone Pattern with many rare pieces is FOR SALE for $11,000.00. The price is absolutely firm.
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If somebody has an unrealistic exorbitant price when compared to past market history and refuses to budge on the price, then the car is not really for sale.
By the way, my large collection of Corning Corelle dinnerware in the discontinued Sandstone Pattern with many rare pieces is FOR SALE for $11,000.00. The price is absolutely firm.
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Man I've been looking for decent Corelle dish wear! The crap they shill nowadays lasts 2 min in the dish washer....do you do layaway??
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