commando1
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In those days, they threw a hp figure on an engine based on your competion who based their hp ratings on their competion.
SOLD 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury S23
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commando1
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Power vent windows cause another tremendous load on the engine. 10hp.
I hope the S23 does well and the owner gets a good price, as it seems like it might really be a top notch restoration. More photos will help a lot.
For me though, CS23T1, I would like to see a photo of your 71 300 if you indeed have one as your ID suggests. The 70 - 71 300s are my favorites of all of the C bodies.
For me though, CS23T1, I would like to see a photo of your 71 300 if you indeed have one as your ID suggests. The 70 - 71 300s are my favorites of all of the C bodies.
It's a forgotten project in the corner.
Had a minitub done, but it sits way too high with leafs. Want to redo the suspension front and rear to more of a g-machine pro touring setup, but that'll have to wait. Old pics:
polara71
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it does sit high, a little too much rubber in the rear for me but then it wouldnt be a pro touring car if it didnt have all that meat
polara71
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I like them original, but a pro touring 71 300 is a bit unusual too, so I hope you have fun with it. Is it Aztec Gold (FL6), Autumn Bronze Metallic (GK6) or Tahitian Walnut (GT8) or? I personally like the Aztec Gold best on those cars, and a bad *** pro touring 71 300 in that color would be spectacular. Please share it with us (whatever color) when done - it will be one of a kind I expect.
I will be restoring an Aztec Gold 71 300 myself in the near future and it will have a white vinyl top and white bucket seat interior with sunroof (instead of the original brown vinyl top and interior - so I am not always totally original either!) and 440HP as it was originally equipped.
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Thanks for sharing!
Apologies for derailing this thread a little, as I was just curious - now back on track!
I will be restoring an Aztec Gold 71 300 myself in the near future and it will have a white vinyl top and white bucket seat interior with sunroof (instead of the original brown vinyl top and interior - so I am not always totally original either!) and 440HP as it was originally equipped.
Thanks for sharing!
Apologies for derailing this thread a little, as I was just curious - now back on track!
When I bought the car it was just to yank out the 440 for an A body. Then I fell in love with the body style and decided to make it a low buck Pro Street car just for fun cruising and maybe run some mid 12s with some bolt-ons for the stock 440. A friend did the leaf relocation, he got it as low as he could given the possible mount locations, but it was still way too high with a decent size tire. So I shoved it in the corner to focus on other projects while I figure out what I want to do.
That's turned into 17 years now. I got out of the car hobby for awhile, but never sold it. I almost gave it away as-is to a local Mopar friend and C body enthusiast, but he had no space for it. Glad he didn't take it, because I'm back into cars 110% and I'd still like to do it - but no longer as a Pro Street. I think really wide 18's/big brakes/tubular suspension and a g3 hemi would be amazing for that car.
For color what I had in mind was a dark grey or gunmetal, and either a paisley or gator grain black top. Still not decided on that. What color it was originally, I'd have to check the fender tag next time I go out where it's stored (45 miles away).
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69CoronetRT
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Prior to 68 and in 71, the High Performance designation was used to distinguish between the 2 and 4bbl version of the 383.
Starting in 68 and through 1970, there is a different 335 horse variant of the 383-4bbl.
Specific engine assemblies were made for specific applications. Assembly considerations take into account which body style, A, B, C or E, body, automatic or manual transmission, carbs, distributors, windage tray and whether or not the car was supposed to have A/C. With the introduction of carb variations due to fresh air induction and emission considerations in 1970, the list of assemblies and variations really grows compared to 68 and 69. The application consideration may or may not take into account such things as marketing, intended or actual use of the assembly. Not all assemblies are equal as not all applications are equal.
The engine assembly for a 68 A body four speed will be totally different than a 68 C body with A/C due to application.
The actual application of the assembly varies from year to year. The 383-4 335 horse assembly was introduced in '68 to help market the B body Road Runner and Super Bee. The main difference between the 330 horse and 335 horse assembly was the the 335 horse used the hotter cam from the 440 375 horse engine introduced in 67. The 335 horse version was available only in the RR and SB and without A/C. A/C cars got the 330 horse assembly. (The reasons why A/C cars got the 330 horse assembly have been discussed in detail on other sites but for our purposes, there is only one application for the 68 335 horse version; Road Runners and Super Bees.) In 68, only the RR and SB received the 335 horse assembly. It was not simply a marketing ploy, there was an actual difference in the assembly and the application.
Assembly and application vary each year. One cannot generalize what happened in 1968 to 1970. One can only compare one year at a time. By 69, the 335 horse assembly was available in any Dodge or Plymouth B body but only with a four speed. So any Charger, Coronet 500 or Satellite with a 383-4bbl and either an automatic transmission or A/C will be the 330 horse. Any of the above models with a four speed and without A/C, will have the, now orange in 69, 335 horse assembly.
I'm unaware of there ever being a 68-70 C body 335 horse assembly. All versions that I am familiar with are of the 330 horse versions.
One cannot simply look at the VIN or engine sales code number to know what assembly comes with the application. This is where most print and online guides mislead people. All 383-4bbl HP cars code H in the 68/69 VIN (N for 1970) but not all H (N) code cars have the 335 assembly. One has to look at the application to determine if the car has the HP assembly. For example, below are four versions of the 1968 Dodge 383-4bbl listing application. All of the versions will code H in the VIN and all will code E62 on the fender tag but each application has a different assembly as well as varying HP ratings based on the assembly.
Not all assemblies are the same. Not all applications are the same. Assemblies and applications vary by year.
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fury fan
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Seems kinda odd that the 'big' cam is the only difference between the 330 and 335, and that it was worth only 5hp.
And so - the cam in the 330hp version is the same as the 383-2? A 256° cam? Which is coincidentally the same cam as used in the std 440.
All that seems hard to remember to know what to expect in a car...
And so - the cam in the 330hp version is the same as the 383-2? A 256° cam? Which is coincidentally the same cam as used in the std 440.
All that seems hard to remember to know what to expect in a car...
69CoronetRT
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Yes. The 383-4bbl 330 horse cam is the same as the 383-2bbl cam.
There are some other differences between the 330 and 335 horse versions. Generally, the cam, the valve springs, windage tray, carb and distributor are the main differences between the 330 and 335 horse versions.
Yes, the application nuances by year can get tricky. That's why it is just as easy, and erroneous, for decoders to list the H/N VIN and engine assembly as the HP assembly. To list the nuances gets cumbersome.
This may help:
*While rated lower in horsepower, due to exhaust manifold restriction, than the comparable B body assembly, the 68-69 A body 383-4 was an HP assembly.
*There was no 335 horse C body assembly. All 383-4bbl cars are 330 horse.
*The assembly application gets tricky for the B bodies. There are application differences between 68, 69 and 70. You have to look at factors such as model and A/C. There is no B body 335 horse with A/C assembly in 68 or 69. There is a B Body 335 horse A/C assembly in 1970. 1968 Chargers did not get the 335 horse version at all. 1969 Chargers with four speeds but without A/C did get the 335 horse engine. 1970 Chargers with A/C did get a 335 horse version.
* 70 B/E assemblies are all over the map and take a spread sheet to figure out.
fury fan
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Sorry dewd, you lost me at 'A-body'.
But to complicate things further, my 65 383 has HP stamped on it - and it has log manifolds.
But to complicate things further, my 65 383 has HP stamped on it - and it has log manifolds.
69CoronetRT
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Not complicated at all. The HP stamp simply distinguishes a 4 bbl short block from a 2bbl short block. I don't think there is any differences between 2 & 4 bbl manifolds for 65.
I think it was probably worth more, maybe 20 hp? If it was, then a 350hp RR/Bee would have definitely hurt R/T and GTX sales more than it already did. IMO the underrated 335 hp rating was purely marketing strategy.
commando1
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There's camshafts and there there is always that one eccentric camshaft. Quiet. Keeps to itself.
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