For Sale 1971 HP 440

[413]

Rick Schutz has lost his mind!

Worth more than a $750 core but he’s gone crazy.

 

[1970FuryConv]

There is something a little odd about a 50k engine that smokes and has had a recent oil pump replacement. As a complete engine that is probably a core, about $1500 should buy it. That is assuming it has no coolant in the oil and compression on all 8 cylinders and no obvious freeze cracks. Would also be nice to know if this was a c-body engine or what else it might have come out of. TNT air cleaner suggests a Chrysler but things get moved about. Also note that oil pump does not appear to be "new" given the accumulated grease. Has either the wrong lower pulley or the wrong alternator, not that it really matters.

Dave

On FB, Rick says it was in a New Yorker

 

[LocuMob]

Has everyone lost their F*_#ing minds?!!!??!!! Five and a half thousand dollars?!? I couldn't smoke enough weed, or take enough LSD to think that an engine that sat for twenty years before firing up and running for two years is worth anywhere near that number. It's a core no matter how you look at it. You may get away with running it for the rest of time, but I'd expect not. I'll drop a thousand less on a 440 that's been rebuilt and for sale on CL for the last decade before I bought this, and in not buying the cheaper one either. **** like this makes me feel better about spending the money at the machine shop and knowing I have what is claimed to be. I don't see any exhaust manifolds, so my core price is $500, I don't care what value may be in certain parts of the engine, it's a core and cores are good for $500 in my experience. I got one last year for $400 with a transmission, and a rebuilt 413 with transmission for $900, with a Victor intake, Edelbrock 750 AFB, Lokar shifter, aluminum radiator (Chinese), but it was still only $900 for the engine and transmission. It might still be a bomb waiting to go off, but the price was right and I got all kinds of extras to keep or sell.

I'll start selling my bare blocks for $1000 and see if some idiots bite, I can't believe the money for these from just a year ago. I need to smoke more weed, or mainline IPA in a drip.

 

[detmatt]

Has everyone lost their F*_#ing minds?!!!??!!! Five and a half thousand dollars?!? I couldn't smoke enough weed, it take enough LSD to think that an engine that sat for twenty years before firing up and running for two years is worth anywhere near that number. It's a core no matter how you look at it. You may get away with running it for the rest of time, but I'd expect not. I'll drop a thousand less on a 440 that's been rebuilt and for sale on CL for the last decade before I bought this, and in not buying the cheaper one either. **** like this makes me feel better about spending the money at the machine shop and knowing I have what is claimed to be. I don't see any exhaust manifolds, so my core price is $500, I don't care what value may be in certain parts of the engine, it's a core and cores are good for $500 in my experience. I got one last year for $400 with a transmission, and a rebuilt 413 with transmission for $900, with a Victor intake, Edelbrock 750 AFB, Lokar shifter, aluminum radiator (Chinese), but it was still only $900 for the engine and transmission. It might still be a bomb waiting to go off, but the price was right and I got all kinds of extras to keep or sell.

I'll start selling my bare blocks for $1000 and see if some idiots bite, I can't believe the money for these from just a year ago. I need to smoke more weed, or mainline IPA in a drip.

I do see exhaust manifolds on it.

 

[LocuMob]

I do see exhaust manifolds on it.

I didn't see that passenger side manifold sticking out on first glance. I still hold on the value, it's a core.

 

[Rapidtrans777]

A decent core, standard 350 hp, easily sells for $1250 if you

The scrap yard down the street has three 440 powered motorhomes they are fixing to crush. I can get the motors and trans for $300 a piece. I could, at the least, triple my money.

 

[detmatt]

I think there’s $1200 to $1500 in parts there so if I were in need of a ‘71 HP engine for some reason I wouldn’t be upset spending that much and if it happened to still have some healthy miles left in it before needing any major investment it would be a pretty nice deal.

 

[LocuMob]

I think there’s $1200 to $1500 in parts there so if I were in need of a ‘71 HP engine for some reason I wouldn’t be upset spending that much and if it happened to still have some healthy miles left in it before needing any major investment it would be a pretty nice deal.

Please help me, but what is so special about '71HP 440's? They are the ones that consistently are being sold for that $1200-1500 price, I don't get it.

 

[413]

A 71 440 HP and a motor home 440 are far apart from value and desireability.

And then we get to the 727 from a motor home, not gonna go in your car without reconfuguring the tailhousing/output shaft.

 

[LocuMob]

A 71 440 HP and a motor home 440 are far apart from value and desireability.

Agree 100%. I never count the RV trans as any part of the price, it just comes with the engine is the way I look at it.

So, is a 440HP out of a '71 New Yorker worth the same or less than say, a '71 Charger R/T?

 

[67440NewYorker]

• Theres just no way. I can buy a whole steel crank chrysler that runs and drives for that. It might only be a 350hp but still does burnouts and half the price!

 

[detmatt]

Please help me, but what is so special about '71HP 440's? They are the ones that consistently are being sold for that $1200-1500 price, I don't get it.

I’m not saying there really is anything special about it “for me” but what I did say is that I could part out what’s there for $1200 to $1500 so why would I be terribly upset if I spent that much and it turned out to be only worth the sum of it’s parts. If I were looking for a date coded 440 HP wether correct or not for a car(lots of people do) then I could see it having even more value to them. That’s all I’m sayin’.

 

[LocuMob]

I’m not saying there really is anything special about it “for me” but what I did say is that I could part out what’s there for $1200 to $1500 so why would I be terribly upset if I spent that much and it turned out to be only worth the sum of it’s parts. If I were looking for a date coded 440 HP wether correct or not for a car(lots of people do) then I could see it having even more value to them. That’s all I’m sayin’.

I get the parts selling aspect, but still don't get why folks go crazy over a 440, steel crank or not. Glad I have my stash if cores.

 

[commando1]

but still don't get why folks go crazy over a 440, steel crank or not.

They read too many hot rod mags.
Cast cranks easily take 500hp.

 

[Gerald Morris]

They read too many hot rod mags.
Cast cranks easily take 500hp.

Yes, which for most folks is more than enough. Steel cranks have a better balance though, and its internal. This is why I want the steel crank off a 383 short block I picked up last summer for my 400. This will also make the 400 far more compatible with the older 727 tranny meant for the 66 383 I have in Mathilda now. I won't need to balance the motor on the torque converter, as the 400 now is.

400 blocks have some nice reinforcement and better coolant ports, making them quite desirable with the right construction and parts. I don't plan to run any hot cam or heaven FORBID (OVER)stroked configuration (thus the 3.375 inch steel crank) but I want DURABLE parts and a durable build.

Aside from that, nodular cast iron is swell, for the price. Thus the bean-counters of 1972 and on also decided.

 

[LocuMob]

They read too many hot rod mags.
Cast cranks easily take 500hp.

Or more. Some engine builders on FABO shared the recipe for an RV block build that ended up over the 500hp mark, I think 588 ft/lbs or torque, all with a stock bottom end, 8.2:1 compression and all. And there wasn't any exotic parts, .509 cam, ported 516 heads and a Victor intake with a Demon 850. Plain and simple. No, I don't know how long the setup would last over time, but it sounds like something fun to try once.

 

[sauterd]

I didn't see that passenger side manifold sticking out on first glance. I still hold on the value, it's a core.

 

[Rapidtrans777]

The scrap yard down the street has three 440 powered motorhomes they are fixing to crush. I can get the motors and trans for $300 a piece. I could, at the least, triple my money.

A 71 440 HP and a motor home 440 are far apart from value and desireability.

And then we get to the 727 from a motor home, not gonna go in your car without reconfuguring the tailhousing/output shaft.

I need to be more obvious with my sarcasm.

 

[polara71]

Yeah, it certainly didn't read that way.

 

[commando1]

I need to be more obvious with my sarcasm.

I got it immediately.
I can throw a rock in any direction and hit a junk Winnebago with a 440 drivetrain.